Base Lariat Hybrid Observations

[Oddzball]

Im the one who started that Remote start issue thread, and FYSA, I noticed this morning it does it regardless of remote start, or just starting with the key and letting it idle/warm up. I had to defrost windows so I was sitting in it when it starting the reving up and down really fast and the smell. This is after a month of owning the truck, I would think by now whatever needs to be "Burned Off" would have done so by now. But its not just a remote start issue. I would say its something like a cold idle issue.

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[Fotomoto]

Regen braking system does not give much user input as to when it's being applied vs. hydraulic brakes. There is no means to adjust the level of "regeness".

Use “L” mode. It’s an eCVT and won’t be harmed. I’ve been driving our c-max like this for over 7 years.

Atkinson cycle engine runs rough when first engages and under acceleration is rather loud as if exhaust noise is artificially created under the vehicle. Perhaps there is?

The transition from super quiet EV to ICE can be either rough or smooth. Many owners come to desire the super quiet mode all the time and transtion to PHEV’s or BEV’s.

It seems that the cubby next to the Infotainment was an after thought and they shrunk the screen at the end of the design process. Maybe a new and larger screen awaits us?

Yes, this is a known issue. FORD publicly stated that shortages were the reason and went with the older, smaller screen. Next year’s models “should” get the larger screen and upgraded sync.

Unfortunately doesn't have heated seats or mirrors, maybe these features can be ordered a la carte in future model years.

Yes, heated seats are optional on the XLT and Lariat.

Im the one who started that Remote start issue thread, and FYSA, I noticed this morning it does it regardless of remote start, or just starting with the key and letting it idle/warm up.

This sounds like the ICE is repeatedly going in/out of stage 1 of the series of warmup/operating cycles. This stage is the most fuel rich mode for the ICE and might explain the primary cat glowing. Maybe a sensor conflict? And thus it mistakenly loads up the cat with too much unburnt fuel during stage 1 and then when stage 2 or higher (of how many?) leans out the mixture,..... poof!, instant extreme temps inside the cat as more O2 ignites the downstream combustion. Just a guess.

 

[Oddzball]

Unfortunately I dont know enough about Hybrids to even begin to figure it out. I used to be good at working on cars back when they didnt have all the computer shit.

 

[ehspeakers]

Use “L” mode. It’s an eCVT and won’t be harmed. I’ve been driving our c-max like this for over 7 years.

Yes, this is a known issue. FORD publicly stated that shortages were the reason and went with the older, smaller screen. Next year’s models “should” get the larger screen and upgraded sync.

This sounds like the ICE is repeatedly going in/out of stage 1 of the series of warmup/operating cycles. This stage is the most fuel rich mode for the ICE and might explain the primary cat glowing. Maybe a sensor conflict? And thus it mistakenly loads up the cat with too much unburnt fuel during stage 1 and then when stage 2 or higher (of how many?) leans out the mixture,..... poof!, instant extreme temps inside the cat as more O2 ignites the downstream combustion. Just a guess.

It's unclear whether or not the Lariat Luxury package allows for the larger screen. It says so on the ordering page, but I don't think this is true from the threads I've read. Will I notice fuel economy loss in "L" mode? Or should I just engage this when I want more aggressive regen braking?

The dealer is stating that the "remote start" issue is something that Ford will need to release a TSB in order to remedy.

Thanks for such remarkable answers and your time!

 

[Fotomoto]

Will I notice fuel economy loss in "L" mode? Or should I just engage this when I want more aggressive regen braking?

The technical answer is “yes” but that’s because the most fuel efficient method is to glide (zero energy in and out which is essentially the eCVT operating in Nuetral) not to coast. Coasting is using drag (in several ways) to slow while gliding try’s to get the most distance while not burning fuel. This is getting down into the weeds of hyper-miling and the difference in savings ($) is typically not worth it to the average driver including myself.

Since using L gives the most regen AND the shortest stopping distance other than traditional friction braking, it’s basically the shortest form of coasting. This gives the driver what is labeled as “one pedal driving” as the brake pedal is used a LOT less; typically only at the end of a complete stop.

It takes about a week or so for the operator to retrain muscle memory. Once learned, most folks come to the conclusion this is the way driving should be. I highly suggest you give it a honest try as this is a truly hidden bonus of electric/hybrid driving.

To those wondering if heavy regen/slowing should activate brake lights, the answer is yes but the DOT regulation threshold is fairly high and typically only applies to BEV vehicles that can absorb much higher levels of regen/stopping force. How high is that? Think about driving around town in 2nd gear of a manual 5 speed transmission.

If the battery is too hot, too cold, or too full, the level of regen it can accept drops considerably and can be felt by the driver who will have to rely more on friction braking in those scenarios.

The bottom line is the system will protect itself so give it a try!

 

[ehspeakers]

The technical answer is “yes” but that’s because the most fuel efficient method is to glide (zero energy in and out which is essentially the eCVT operating in Nuetral) not to coast. Coasting is using drag (in several ways) to slow while gliding try’s to get the most distance while not burning fuel. This is getting down into the weeds of hyper-miling and the difference in savings ($) is typically not worth it to the average driver including myself.

Since using L gives the most regen AND the shortest stopping distance other than traditional friction braking, it’s basically the shortest form of coasting. This gives the driver what is labeled as “one pedal driving” as the brake pedal is used a LOT less; typically only at the end of a complete stop.

It takes about a week or so for the operator to retrain muscle memory. Once learned, most folks come to the conclusion this is the way driving should be. I highly suggest you give it a honest try as this is a truly hidden bonus of electric/hybrid driving.

To those wondering if heavy regen/slowing should activate brake lights, the answer is yes but the DOT regulation threshold is fairly high and typically only applies to BEV vehicles that can absorb much higher levels of regen/stopping force. How high is that? Think about driving around town in 2nd gear of a manual 5 speed transmission.

If the battery is too hot, too cold, or too full, the level of regen it can accept drops considerably and can be felt by the driver who will have to rely more on friction braking in those scenarios.

The bottom line is the system will protect itself so give it a try!

I absolutely will... I have wondered why there isn't a variable output brake light that warns a driver appropriately for regen braking. I do concern myself with this, especially with driver's these days. It will take a lot of getting used to. I am appreciative I got this Hybrid as hard as they are to find, even though not as powerful or fun or potentially as simple to work on in the long run, it's "fun" in different ways.. like "how many MPGs can I get"?

 

[GreenLady]

Lots to unpack there. Not sure I understand why you think B&O won't be "much" better than stock since you don't have B&O. I've heard stock. It can't get worse, and B&O should be a significant upgrade. Lots of hybrids don't have regenerative braking adjustments - that is more of an EV thing.

The salesman RE the remote start.. he probably means the smells are from a coating burning off, which is not uncommon in new cars. I will be using remote start. The emissions parts warranty is at least 8/80. I'm not concerned with it.

Also, the brake lines on cars - particularly near the wheels - are always exposed. I can't tell you the last time I heard of a failure due to this. They're designed and built to withstand the outdoor conditions.

I had regen brakes on my 2013 Ford CMax and they worked well! A totally different type of driving than a gas engine! You start out slower and start breaking sooner and slower to build up a charge. I went from the Hybrid to an EV and had to learn how to drive again! I loved the Jack rabbit starts and the pick up that was always there! Now I’m going back to a hybrid and will have to relearn a different driving routine!

 

[GreenLady]

The brake line specifically will likely accumulate dirt/salt as its right where everything will fling off the tire. There's literally no protection at all. All the trucks and cars I've seen at least have some form of wheel well. And no I haven't heard the B & O system , what I meant is that I doubt it would be worth it for the Luxe package for the radio as well as the heated seats and mirrors. Just would be nice to order a la carte as I would have no desire for the 360 co pilot features .

I had the 360 features on my EV and appreciated them as a safety feature! I ordered the package again….it’s all preference.

 

[TheGriffin1313]

No one has addressed the elephant in the room "Cat convertor glows red hot"

Can someone with some real insight reflect on this statement? Will I be starting brush fires with this truck?

 

[clavicus]

In L mode the regen braking is definitely on max, but I wonder if on the other hand the computer gives you a smaller range of pedal input before it turns on the ICE to assist with acceleration. I.E. for towing type of input where you need more oompf at low speed so it makes the ICE kick in more? Just putting that question out there, I don't know, I'll have to test more myself and compare it to ECO mode.

 

[Sjbuck2021]

A lot of complaints on the rear view mirror. How did Ford get away with it? Sounds like a safety issue that should be addressed. Maybe a future service bulletin to replace them.

 

[boe757]

No one has addressed the elephant in the room "Cat convertor glows red hot"

Can someone with some real insight reflect on this statement? Will I be starting brush fires with this truck?

Griff
all info for XLT hybrid: i just read the info about phone start so i went to the garage and checked. I am unable to advise, the vehicle will not run with the hood open; with the key or phone start so I can't check without a mirror. I have NOT noticed burnoff or any oder. Fortunately the converter is not located the same as my F150, the mav is located much higher near the engine. I have read the warnings not to park on leaves and grass but i don't see a problem with the Maverick- famous last words "should be ok". If your starting fires your Knee deep in the weeds. In MN i parked over 6 inches of snow to check for melted spots, no indication of heat. I will be watching for the phone issue

 

[ehspeakers]

A lot of complaints on the rear view mirror. How did Ford get away with it? Sounds like a safety issue that should be addressed. Maybe a future service bulletin to replace them.

Just replace with another one. It's not a big issue.

 

[Allen King Jr]

Use “L” mode. It’s an eCVT and won’t be harmed. I’ve been driving our c-max like this for over 7 years.



The transition from super quiet EV to ICE can be either rough or smooth. Many owners come to desire the super quiet mode all the time and transtion to PHEV’s or BEV’s.



Yes, this is a known issue. FORD publicly stated that shortages were the reason and went with the older, smaller screen. Next year’s models “should” get the larger screen and upgraded sync.



Yes, heated seats are optional on the XLT and Lariat.



This sounds like the ICE is repeatedly going in/out of stage 1 of the series of warmup/operating cycles. This stage is the most fuel rich mode for the ICE and might explain the primary cat glowing. Maybe a sensor conflict? And thus it mistakenly loads up the cat with too much unburnt fuel during stage 1 and then when stage 2 or higher (of how many?) leans out the mixture,..... poof!, instant extreme temps inside the cat as more O2 ignites the downstream combustion. Just a guess.

Maybe it does this to heat up faster for the heat exchanger that heats up so the cabin can warm up quicker, just a thought, but probably not the case.

 

[TheGriffin1313]

Griff
all info for XLT hybrid: i just read the info about phone start so i went to the garage and checked. I am unable to advise, the vehicle will not run with the hood open; with the key or phone start so I can't check without a mirror. I have NOT noticed burnoff or any oder. Fortunately the converter is not located the same as my F150, the mav is located much higher near the engine. I have read the warnings not to park on leaves and grass but i don't see a problem with the Maverick- famous last words "should be ok". If your starting fires your Knee deep in the weeds. In MN i parked over 6 inches of snow to check for melted spots, no indication of heat. I will be watching for the phone issue

Thanks Boe

Are the warnings of "not parking over leaves and grass" in a statement in print somewhere?

Out of all the issues with the Mav this is the most concerning to me to date.

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