Auto Start / Stop mandate repealed!

[TonyP19]

I'm old school, yet, Start/stop doesn't bother me.

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[MightyMaverick]

Although I'm not the biggest fan of it, I get why it exists. I don't view it as a government overreach. It was made with the intention of reducing tailpipe emissions and that's a great thing. But for those who have the same level of hatred for it like it cheated on their spouse, it's like, get over it! If you don't like it, just turn it off or don't buy a car equipped with it. They do exist, they're just few and far between.

I don't see this turnaround being so easy for manufacturers. Cars and the engines that power them are planned years in advance. This abrupt deregulation is not gonna magically equip cars without this feature overnight. It'll take years to fully phase it out if they even want to go down that path. Some will embrace it, some won't. That won't be as easy as it sounds. Cars will have to wait until their mid-cycle refresh or full redesign to reconfigure the dash or center console with the removal of that button. I guess, only time will tell what manufacturers will be willing to do.

 

[NextTruck]

Gasoline consumption peaked around 2018 at over 143 billion gallons annually, dipped significantly in 2020 to ~127.7 billion due to pandemic restrictions, and has recovered to roughly 137 billion gallons by 2023. Consumption generally remains near or below 2018-2019 levels despite population growth.

At least 20 million more in population from 2020-2024.


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[NextTruck]

Although I'm not the biggest fan of it, I get why it exists. I don't view it as a government overreach. It was made with the intention of reducing tailpipe emissions and that's a great thing. But for those who have the same level of hatred for it like it cheated on their spouse, it's like, get over it! If you don't like it, just turn it off or don't buy a car equipped with it. They do exist, they're just few and far between.

I don't see this turnaround being so easy for manufacturers. Cars and the engines that power them are planned years in advance. This abrupt deregulation is not gonna magically equip cars without this feature overnight. It'll take years to fully phase it out if they even want to go down that path. Some will embrace it, some won't. That won't be as easy as it sounds. Cars will have to wait until their mid-cycle refresh or full redesign to reconfigure the dash or center console with the removal of that button. I guess, only time will tell what manufacturers will be willing to do.

Not really that complicated to delete. If a button is a simple delete and people can over-ride it in forscan, Ford should be able to do it with ease.

 

[NextTruck]

I have never had this happen........... Of course, I often have the auto hold on so my foot is not even on the break, oops brake!!! Even without the auto hold I have never had it surge forward. I am going to have to try to get it to surge forward tomorrow; I am not sure that is possible.......

Love the feature; just seems to make sense to me, but maybe that is just me............. At least after yesterday, I now know that it really does not help the environment!! Just another govt reg treading all over my personal freedom.............

I guess it depends on how quick your footwork is.

 

[lm126027]

Yeah the hate for start-stop kinda puzzles me. I never had an ICE car with that system, but I love how the hybrid isn't wasting fuel by idling all the time at lights or in traffic

Maybe the system doesn't work so well on the EcoBoost and that's why ppl hate it

agree, no clue why people hate. May be putting a little addl stress on the starter, but have never lost a starter. ICE Mav here and it works fine. Most of the time I don't even realize it has shut down till I look down at the tack. Instant start when I hit the gas.

 

[Meeka]

agree, no clue why people hate. May be putting a little addl stress on the starter, but have never lost a starter. ICE Mav here and it works fine. Most of the time I don't even realize it has shut down till I look down at the tack. Instant start when I hit the gas.

Not just the starters only, also ‘hot’ turbos. Start stop, bad!

 

[lm126027]

Not just the starters only, also ‘hot’ turbos. Start stop, bad!

never though of that, though the only warning about letting the turbo cool before shutting off on my little Mercury Capri convertible (a Mazda built Ford import from Australia) was after highway driving. No city warning and that is where the stop start is used predominantly.

 

[commadorebob]

I posted this in another thread, but Ford should offer to turn it off or make it opt-in rather than opt-out... for a fee. Ford will make a little extra money because people will pay to do it. Then dealers can throw it in for free at as part of a regular service job. Easy win for both sides.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Well, in extremely cold climates (like mine) it just shuts down and does not work. I no longer need to hit the button. It just has not worked once since last October or so and most likely will not until April or May. Then, as I do not drive all that much(3.5K / year) the battery SOC never gets to maximum which is pretty much the defining point at which the auto start stop will work for me in the warmer months.

When the dealer replaced my battery under warranty, they told me I need to either drive a lot more or plug my truck into a battery charger /maintainer every time I park in my garage. Both are not viable options for me. I am not needlessly wasting gas and my wife is most definitely is NOT going to want to deal with messing with the charger whenever she needs to drive the truck. I would not even dare to suggest it and I suggest some really weird things sometimes.

 

[Solaryellow]

You can notice something every time you get in your vehicle, but when it is gone, you forget about it.

The auto stop button would always be turned off but after putting on my tune I never took notice that it did away with such a poppycock feature until one day it hit me that it wasn't turning off at a stop even when I didn't engage the button. Oddly enough, I didn't notice the tune manufacturer said explicitly the tune would remedy the engagement.

 

[HeyBales]

Not just the starters only, also ‘hot’ turbos. Start stop, bad!

Really surprising since I'm sure there are temp sensors dealing with the the turbo only - they know how hot it is.

That should have been part of equation allowing engine to even stop.

Maybe you are someone that likes to race from stoplight to stoplight every 1/4 mile.
Or it's indeed cruise/race night (cue whatever song is correct from American Graffiti).

 

[NextTruck]

Auto S/S was not mandated, but was encouraged by emissions and fuel economy standards. So nothing has really changed unless we're rolling back environmental regs which, IMHO, is not a win. I do understand the frustrations with the system in pure ICE vehicles as it can be jarring. With my hybrid, the ASS is a feature, not a bug

Regs=> or Regulation:
noun

1. The act of regulating or the state of being regulated.
2. A principle, rule, or law designed to control or govern conduct.
3. A governmental order having the force of law

I think this is part of the pushback aside from the impact of whether it is hard on the mechanicals or safe. Mandated or prompted by a regulation. Put in place by non-elected people with an agenda. Not political, just relative to the discussion.

 

[lavaspill]

Every time an ICE stops heat builds up super fast in specific areas of the engine. But not everywhere.
The engine lubricants main job is heat transfer. It’s that simple. Motor oils second job is to keep high speed parts effortlessly moving super close to each other without making contact.

At a certain temp and at a low Idle RPM Air Cooled Harley Davidson models shut down the back cylinder Completely. That’s how they survive parades. Air cooled remember ?
The oil keeps flowing and with half the motor not creating heat that half acts like a massive heat sink.
Our engines stop, the oil AND the coolant stops flowing.

Stupid beyond belief. Really Ford ?
I mean Dayum !

Cylinder head, schmilnder head. It’s over rated, you don’t need it.

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