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Well, the trends are not reassuring for anyone waiting on a Ford order to be built...
 

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Isn’t Ford working with another company to make chips?

Hopefully with the chip fiasco we will build chip manufacturing here in the US instead of it being out sourced.
 

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Isn’t Ford working with another company to make chips?

Hopefully with the chip fiasco we will build chip manufacturing here in the US instead of it being out sourced.
Agreement in motion. Any actual production still a year or more away.
 

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A year? Try 2-3 years. It takes huge investments and a long time to build or enhance production of semiconductors.
No disagreement; at first I wrote "years away" but had a hunch that would be perceived as hyperbole.
 

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Agreement in motion. Any actual production still a year or more away.

Correct, they had a press release announcing that they were working with GlobalFoundries. Really it was just a letter of intint. I doubt if there will be any production for a while.
 

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Isn’t Ford working with another company to make chips?

Hopefully with the chip fiasco we will build chip manufacturing here in the US instead of it being out sourced.
I am sure they are doing what they can. There is a world wide chip shortage and chips are not universally interchangeable. Programs may have to be changed to run on them which would then require stocking two lines of chips and software instead of one. Complicate repairs by requiring checking which chip is in this series of truck. If a different chip was used it could take a year or two to rewrite software and test. There are many in-country chip plants under construction, (maybe 3+ years and then months to produce first chips). Note that infrastructure to support a new chip plant, could require new roads, bridges, electrical generation plants, etc, etc.....
 
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I am sure they are doing what they can. There is a world wide chip shortage and chips are not universally interchangeable. Programs may have to be changed to run on them which would then require stocking two lines of chips and software instead of one. Complicate repairs by requiring checking which chip is in this series of truck. If a different chip was used it could take a year or two to rewrite software and test. There are many in-country chip plants under construction, (maybe 3+ years and then months to produce first chips). Note that infrastructure to support a new chip plant, could require new roads, bridges, electrical generation plants, etc, etc.....
Agreed.

And Tesla has a 10-year head start. Everyone else, including Ford, is playing catch-up.
 
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Well, the trends are not reassuring for anyone waiting on a Ford order to be built...
First quarter looks bad (down up to 10%) but more than 1/2 way over and whole year guidance looks good at +10 to +15%. That means the last three quarters will be even higher to make up for 1st quarter.
 

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I am sure they are doing what they can. There is a world wide chip shortage and chips are not universally interchangeable. Programs may have to be changed to run on them which would then require stocking two lines of chips and software instead of one. Complicate repairs by requiring checking which chip is in this series of truck. If a different chip was used it could take a year or two to rewrite software and test. There are many in-country chip plants under construction, (maybe 3+ years and then months to produce first chips). Note that infrastructure to support a new chip plant, could require new roads, bridges, electrical generation plants, etc, etc.....
Also will note in passing that vehicle manufacturers are prone to ordering and using previous generations of chips and chipsets which by their very nature may take a spot of less urgency in a production facility.
 
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First quarter looks bad (down up to 10%) but whole year guidance looks good at +10 to +15%. That means the last three quarters will be even higher.
I saw that too. We'll just have to see what shakes out.

I give it 50-50 that I get my Maverick Hybrid as a 2022 model.
 

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Agreed.

And Tesla has a 10-year head start. Everyone else, including Ford, is playing catch-up.
Ford could have bought five years worth of chips three years ago, but we're afraid of having to trash them.
 
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Ford could have bought five years worth of chips three years ago, but we're afraid of having to trash them.
With the technology changing as fast as it is, that does not even make sense.

That would be like buying 5-years of today's Intel processors for laptops to be built well into the future.

How competitive would that be?
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