Are the hybrids problem vehicles?

[stoptothink]

My only problem with a Tacoma, is it is bigger than I want or need. I had a similar sized Ridgeline, and didn't like the size, which I'm sure wouldn't bother many of you.

They're also slow, handle like a covered wagon on the street, have poor fuel efficiency, and are really expensive. But, they'll run forever.

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[Last Truck Ever]

They're also slow, handle like a covered wagon on the street, have poor fuel efficiency, and are really expensive. But, they'll run forever.

LOL, "it's slow, handles poorly, drinks gas like a drunk on a bender, and looks like it was designed in the 70's..... But it'll last you forever." Would love to see THAT Tacoma commercial,

 

[Automate]

Now list all the parts the EB has that the hybrid doesn't, and be sure to include the trans contents. The list will be 5 times longer.

What I listed are the major components, not the individual parts. Going by the number of parts is not a good way to judge complexity. The Hybrid battery (one component) has at least 60 "cells" with each cell made up of at least 5 parts.

I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid with 180K miles on it that is still going strong. And I have placed an order for a Maverick Hybrid. So I'm not trying to bash Hybrids, just pointing out the facts.

But if you follow MTC forum its easy to see more issues have been reported with the Hybrids than the EB. This in spite of the fact there are 50% more EBs on the road.

Hybrids are having teething problems due to their newer and more complex systems. But these issues should be fixed under warranty.

This is not to say Hybrids will be less reliable long term. Electrical components tend to last longer than mechanical components. For example, my Fusion Hybrid with 180K miles has never had the front brake pads replaced due to regenerative braking.

 

[Ratbones2002]

I just hit 35,000 miles on my Lariat Hybrid. No issues so far.

 

[Renho17]

"Nobody comes on here and posts hey, I am at 10k miles and not one problem"

Congrats, you must be the first!

As in creates a post about no problems

 

[gte105u]

They're also slow, handle like a covered wagon on the street, have poor fuel efficiency, and are really expensive. But, they'll run forever.

Also with both Tacoma and 4 Runner for some reason I cannot get in them comfortably. The shape of the door, I run my head on the door frame or have to really duck to get in. It's in an awkward way. Very reliable drives well off road. But getting in them is weird, and I'm not super tall (6'0).

Also they drive very rough on road. Handles and feels like a low tier full size, not a decently expensive mid size.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

No, factually speaking, while both powertrains have been around a long time and are generally quite reliable, the hybrid is by far the more proven and durable option. The Ecoboost can prob last 150-200k without major issues, but that hybrid is known for lasting 250-300k easily, with a ton of documented cases of it lasting 500k on the original powertrain with taxis. The wiring harness issue was annoying, but that's been resolved I believe. Aside from that, I never saw an issue with the hybrids. Everything about the hybrid is clearly designed with max longevity, the understressed and extremely reliable Mazda derived 2.5, the e-cvt which is about as durable as a transmission can be, and the electric components, which are extremely reliable.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

The biggest complaint from me is that there are several known issues and either ford is slow addressing them or don't have the parts.

All the issues have already been addressed for newer trucks it seems. The wiring harness/dead hybrid prob only seems to affect trucks built in may or earlier. Seems like ford is trying to help those customers, but it'll take awhile.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

Yes, all Mavericks are unreliable.

Abandon your order and buy one of the many superior vehicles that are readily available.

I have one of each (Hybrid and EB), and they have both been flawless so far, but I just know that they are waiting for month 37 to disintegrate into a pile of Maverick dust. I know this because my Mavericks talk to me. I mean, all the time. It starts with the fasten seatbelt chime. Then a screen comes on that shows where I am sitting. Then a voice warning me to put my hands on the steering wheel. And sometimes, when it is very, very quiet, I can just barely hear a faint message that says "You know I'm going to disintegrate soon, don't you?".

It is kind of eerie.

But they are so much fun to drive and so economical with fuel, that I will enjoy driving them for a while, and then sell them at a huge profit, just before they disintegrate.

You probably should not try this at home.

Maverick dust sounds like something a guy in a back alley would try to sell to me and I love it.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

This will be my first turbo. When I bought my '15 Edge, I went looking for a V6 (used) ILO a Ecoboost.

What is it about the turbo that makes oil change frequency more critical? I was assuming fuel cleaning and periodically running sea foam through it would be important. Just curious because my Edge (again not turbo) I change it when the oil change notice pops up and have had 140k issue free miles.

Is your edge the 3.5 duratec? Our explorer has that engine, it's great.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

Hybrids have every component of an IC engine plus the electrical components. They are most certainly not less complex.

Not true, the most problematic components on many engines, like the starter and alternator don't exist on the maverick hybrid, can't break something that doesn't exist. Then there's the fact that an e-cvt is basically the simplest, and most reliable automatic transmission out there. Doesn't have all the super complex stuff on most transmissions that can go wrong.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

They're also slow, handle like a covered wagon on the street, have poor fuel efficiency, and are really expensive. But, they'll run forever.

I've heard the reliability on Tacoma's is also meh. Most older Tacomas had their fair share of issues, including frame rust that was so bad, it would essentially ruin the frame and total the truck in some cases. The 2016 and newer Tacomas are a total cluster f from what I've heard, according to Toyota technicians and several owners, everything about those trucks breaks. The engine, transmission, electronics, frame, body, it all has issues apparently. Not sure if they improved over time, but I know most of these issues were still pretty common until at least the 2018 models. The Ranger actually scores better than the Tacoma in the reliability department according to Consumer Reports, not that Consumer Reports is always trustworthy.

 

[gte105u]

Is your edge the 3.5 duratec? Our explorer has that engine, it's great.

Yeah, that's it. It's been rock star. It's at 140k miles. Getting used by my son when he turns 16 next year and I'll get the Maverick.

 

[Shay]

#warranty

 

[TedTX]

Not true, the most problematic components on many engines, like the starter and alternator don't exist on the maverick hybrid, can't break something that doesn't exist. Then there's the fact that an e-cvt is basically the simplest, and most reliable automatic transmission out there. Doesn't have all the super complex stuff on most transmissions that can go wrong.

Going keep going along these thoughts. What we determine a good car/truck is reliability, durability, longevity and lowest cost of ownership.
The fault in the non-hybrid is linear ( weakest link in a single chain ) can effect reliability and longevity.
The hybrid have 3 basic modes its non one single chain. So a single falling part doesn’t ‘appear’ to effect the end result because they can and do cut out large sets of components by design.
Wear is largely a function of changes in power. Large changes in electric power does not weaken the wire ( sized for load ). Also extra energy in the system is buffered by battery, causing less mechanical wear on everything connected ( engine and brakes)
The mechanical gears are a set ratio geared to the match the rpm range of the tires at the common highway to the engine. The other ‘gears’ to handle other ratios are virtual electronic gears ( no mechanical wear then )
The longevity of THIS truck is the decomposition of battery chemistry. If you just left it unused the battery will no longer function after set number of years.
Every other component should out live battery.

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