Are the hybrids problem vehicles?

[Automate]

More complex? How many moving parts to an 8 speed tranny? How about the accessory belts?

OK, lets compare, the Hybrid has all the following the EB does not have:

1. Five electronic control modules the EB does not have https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...im-levels-and-options-found-by-forscan.11122/
2. Two 3-phase high performance electric motors
3. Two 3-phase high voltage motor drive electronics
4. 400 VDC battery
5. 400 VDC BMS (battery management system)
6. 400 VDC to 12 VDC power converter
7. Completely separate electronics/battery water cooling/heating system with multiple heat exchangers and circulation pump
8. 400 VDC wiring harness
9. 400 VDC contactor to safely disconnect high voltage on shutdown
10. Electric motor driven A/C compressor since the engine may not be running
11. Electric vacuum pump for brakes since it can't count on engine vacuum.
12. Passenger compartment electric resistance heaters.

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[fossil]

The only outstanding recalls on the EB are for units built before the middle of July (airbags) and those with the 4k tow package for the brake controller. If there are any outstanding recalls when your vehicle arrives, they won't be able to sell it to you until they are fixed.

Some early EB had improperly installed rear seat belts (we are talking units made last fall), and for ones with the spray in bed liner, also build a long time ago, that had holes drilled into the fuel tank. These are no longer issues.

Thanks for responding and the time taken. Nothing on the engine itself apparently, that's good to know.

 

[gte105u]

If we look at recalls alone, they are about equal, because some are for both. A lot of these are really just first year issues that happen with new vehicles. In this case it's often production or supplier issues, rather than design problems with the vehicle itself, regardless of it being hybrid or EB.

In the long run, I can see a lot of EB owners with dead turbos because they actually believe ridiculous maintenance scheduled. No turbo vehicle should go over 5k miles for an oil change, particularly on a small engine. Hybrid owners might have it worse, it also has a reduciously long oi change interval. I'm still going to do it every 5k miles / 8k km, just like I've done with every vehicle I've owned, hybrid and non-hybrid.

We do need to keep in mind that people who don't have problems aren't posting much here or on the reddit/Facebook Maverick groups, they are just happily driving their Mavericks.

This will be my first turbo. When I bought my '15 Edge, I went looking for a V6 (used) ILO a Ecoboost.

What is it about the turbo that makes oil change frequency more critical? I was assuming fuel cleaning and periodically running sea foam through it would be important. Just curious because my Edge (again not turbo) I change it when the oil change notice pops up and have had 140k issue free miles.

 

[Comment4]

Cope from EcoBoost owners/buyers over passing up that sweet, sweet 40+ MPG.

So I am curious, and this may kick a hornet's nest. But it qualitatively speaking it seems like there are more issues with the hybrids than the ecoboosts. Its to the point where I find myself reading posts and saying "thank goodness I didn't order a hybrid". But this could also be selective memory based upon the fact I did order an ecoboost. So is it just me, or are there way more issues with the hybrids than the ecoboosts? Is it to the point where one would say getting a hybrid is a problem vehicle?

Thoughts?

 

[MaverickHybrid]

I had three hybrids XL so far. 10XXX, 30XXX and the last one 99XXX vins. All with the same options and color. I can tell you being in a unique situation that Ford kept making incremental improvements. The last one is better in many different ways. It has less (so far none vibrations, noises, hesitations) as well strangely enough better performance and no recalls! Only negative being worse MPG which might just be related to lower temps.

 

[A_Turkey_Sammich]

I haven’t seen anything that the technology is more at fault than just plain quality issues. With cost cutting, lowest cost suppliers, etc, those quality issues can arise on any model.

Personally I think if one were to hold on to the vehicle for years and years, I bet the hybrid fares better overall except for the battery pack. Regardless how good the battery pack is or isn’t, they all have a finite lifetime no matter how well you baby or take care of it. Hopefully by the time they start dropping dead, rebuilding or replacing them will be much more commonplace and lower cost than it has been. otherwise I think the hybrid will be very reliable. Ford’s eco boost engines on the other hand, a lot of them don’t seem to age that well despite being ok early on. I still dont have much faith in them lasting up to a couple decades and the associated high miles without major significant issues. Of course all of that is irrelevant for the typical buyer who moves on to something else in a few years anyways.

 

[CuriousGary]

Ford has been building hybrids for a long time so it should be reliable. They did have some initial issues with a bad cable harness but I believe any built after mid May should have that issue fixed (Fingers crossed).

Indeed Ford has been building hybrids for a long time, so the Mav hybrid should be reliable. I have been driving a used 2016 Ford CMax Hybrid for 30,000 miles and have encountered no problems and high gas mileage. My CMax gives me confidence in my decision to order a Mav Hybrid.

Now the trick is for Ford to build it for me and many others in a reasonable amount of time and make some money.

A writer on this website suggested that the Mav Hybrid might be a loss leader to meet EPA mpg commitments. This may be true, and if so, this may mean my Mav may come to me until late 2023.

So far I have decided to wait on Ford to get its act together, but if Toyota were to build and sell a reasonably priced hybrid Tacoma during 2023, I might change my mind.

Just thinking …

 

[icegradner]

This will be my first turbo. When I bought my '15 Edge, I went looking for a V6 (used) ILO a Ecoboost.

What is it about the turbo that makes oil change frequency more critical? I was assuming fuel cleaning and periodically running sea foam through it would be important. Just curious because my Edge (again not turbo) I change it when the oil change notice pops up and have had 140k issue free miles.

Turbos need good clean oil to keep them from having premature failures (of the turbos). Well known Ford tech on youtube (Ford Boss Me) talks about this all the time with Ford turbo engines, warning owners about it. He figured the Maverick, being a 4 banger would be one to be very careful with, strongly recommending to stick to a 5k cycle.

 

[icegradner]

OK, lets compare, the Hybrid has all the following the EB does not have:

1. Five electronic control modules the EB does not have https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...im-levels-and-options-found-by-forscan.11122/
2. Two 3-phase high performance electric motors
3. Two 3-phase high voltage motor drive electronics
4. 400 VDC battery
5. 400 VDC BMS (battery management system)
6. 400 VDC to 12 VDC power converter
7. Completely separate electronics/battery water cooling/heating system with multiple heat exchangers and circulation pump
8. 400 VDC wiring harness
9. 400 VDC contactor to safely disconnect high voltage on shutdown
10. Electric motor driven A/C compressor since the engine may not be running
11. Electric vacuum pump for brakes since it can't count on engine vacuum.
12. Passenger compartment electric resistance heaters.

9 times out of 10 those electric components will outlive any ICE/belt pulley system/traditional automatic tranmission. Many of those components listed have no moving parts to fail, thus the comment on it being less complex. Electronically more complex, yes, mechancially, not so much. More physical parts doesn't equate to greater chance of failure.

 

[Walter56]

Must be, that's why you never see any on the road, Seriously?

 

[Tiger Dude]

It’s not an engineering issue, hybrids are remarkably less complex. Its a quality control problem oversight of its suppliers.

Hybrids have every component of an IC engine plus the electrical components. They are most certainly not less complex.

 

[Tiger Dude]

9 times out of 10 those electric components will outlive any ICE/belt pulley system/traditional automatic tranmission. Many of those components listed have no moving parts to fail, thus the comment on it being less complex. Electronically more complex, yes, mechancially, not so much. More physical parts doesn't equate to greater chance of failure.

More physical parts is literally always a greater chance of failure.

 

[gte105u]

It's the "I went to pass someone and my engine died" threads that would worry me. Seems these come up more (only?) for hybrids. Could be a first year issue, but they seem to pop up every few days. It's one thing to have a vehicle that'll need work. But another that I can't trust it to go when I step on the gas. This issue wouldn't happen to me more than once...

 

[KeinoDoggy]

10k mikes on mine and not one problem, except trying to keep it clean cause i got black..

Anyone who says all they see is problems with the hybrid doesn’t really know. 1.Let’s just say 40k produced, we have seen what 200 people post with problems, if that.
2. Nobody comes on here and posts hey, I am at 10k miles and not one problem. It’s only people with problems so it seems way bigger then it really is.

"Nobody comes on here and posts hey, I am at 10k miles and not one problem"

Congrats, you must be the first!

 

[hdrider02]

Both models worry me when it comes to long term reliability. Folks say not to worry, the drivetrains are proven, and I guess I'll cross the replacement bridge when/if I get to it, but still part of me wonders if I should just bite the bullet and buy a $50k Tacoma for better piece of mind...

My only problem with a Tacoma, is it is bigger than I want or need. I had a similar sized Ridgeline, and didn't like the size, which I'm sure wouldn't bother many of you.

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