Adaptive Cruise Am I Blind? Can’t find

[Hardening2753]

Received my 2023 Maverick Lux 360 Lariat Hybrid a few weeks ago.

One major need was to have the auto start stop adaptive cruise control.

After reading the manual and inspection no joy for adaptive cruise found.

My front grill on my 2023 also does no show the tell tell black box others have on the 2022.

I wonder if the hybrid fire recall has a grill change or they deleted the adaptive cruise or I am blind/stupid.,,

I left a vm to the dealer but no response yet.

any photos or comments welcomed m

The adaptive cruise control got dropped from the lux package and was made a separate item. If you did not make the additional after Ford made the changes, it is possible it never was ordered. What does your window sticker say?

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[Hardening2753]

2023 ACC requires Lariat + LLP + CP360 + CP360 Assist package. Unless you see CP360 Assist on the window sticker, it was ordered without it.

Exactly. I wish Ford would email you saying that changes were made to your order of they rearrange what is in a package

 

[Hardening2753]

2023 ACC requires Lariat + LLP + CP360 + CP360 Assist package. Unless you see CP360 Assist on the window sticker, it was ordered without it.

Exactly. I wish Ford would email you saying that changes were made to your order of they rearrange what is in a package

Looks like just the regular CP360 was added but not the adaptive (radar)

 

[Hardening2753]

Update: call from dealer.
My original email request order had the correct request for setting up 360tm but sales order deleted it by error.

I had a chance to double check the total order but missed the salesman error.

Love the salesman from past business but damn my lack of double checking the final order.

I may be selling my 2023

Put another order for the '24

 

[Hardening2753]

Did you survive without ACC before? You are going to sacrifice a new vehicle because of one item?

That one item let's the vehicle practically drive itself and can prevent accidents. While I would be pissed, I would still take the order and put a new one for '24

 

[colinl]

When using ACC slight slowdowns happen just like you would, a throttle lift and she wouldn't know either way. Any slowdown that uses the brakes also turn on the brake lights just like you would.
ACC isn't for everyone, it took me a while to get used to it but wouldn't like doing without it now.

is correct, and since he has a hybrid, any time regenerative braking is used the brake lights come on... ACC or not.

most likely what happened is that ACC was braking later and harder than Brad would when driving manually. the brake lights absolutely will come on when significant normal or regenerative braking happens.

Ford has been doing this more than a decade.

 

[JimParker256]

is correct, and since he has a hybrid, any time regenerative braking is used the brake lights come on... ACC or not.

most likely what happened is that ACC was braking later and harder than Brad would when driving manually. the brake lights absolutely will come on when significant normal or regenerative braking happens.

Ford has been doing this more than a decade.

That is exactly what I experienced when using ACC while in "normal" drive mode. Changing to "Slippery" results in earlier, less aggressive slowing, but still activates the brake lights when re-gen kicks in.

The one situation where ACC makes me uncomfortable is when I'm driving at 60-65 mph on a road with traffic lights, and there is a line of stopped traffic ahead. It seems to initiate braking way later than I would (especially after driving for six months with EV Coach enabled!). I just brake myself, then tap the "Resume" button as soon as I'm rolling to re-engage ACC.

 

[colinl]

The one situation where ACC makes me uncomfortable is when I'm driving at 60-65 mph on a road with traffic lights, and there is a line of stopped traffic ahead. It seems to initiate braking way later than I would (especially after driving for six months with EV Coach enabled!). I just brake myself, then tap the "Resume" button as soon as I'm rolling to re-engage ACC.

I have an ecoboost and I also do not like ACCs braking when there is a line of very slow or stopped traffic that I can see 1/10th of a mile or less ahead. I would start coasting and braking gently.

ACC slows a little at a distance that I think correlates to follow distance 4 (max). Then starts braking pretty damn hard shortly after that. I hate it and I always manually brake in these situations.

Also, I definitely do not trust ACC in heavy traffic even though I love it in heavy traffic. Yes, this is a weird dichotomy.

When there's some high variations in speed it's the most dangerous and I hover my foot over the brake. I'm talking KC I can't imagine using it in Chicago or LA and not going crazy being paranoid about it, or getting rear-ended because it brakes harder than some bozo behind expects.

 

[BradnChristine]

is correct, and since he has a hybrid, any time regenerative braking is used the brake lights come on... ACC or not.

most likely what happened is that ACC was braking later and harder than Brad would when driving manually. the brake lights absolutely will come on when significant normal or regenerative braking happens.

Ford has been doing this more than a decade.

According to my wife, the brake lights never came on except when I had to phycically hit them due to a few quick 45 MPH crossovers for freeway construction. Mind you, my speeds never dropped below 60 due to using ACC, but that 10-20 mph drop (at times) was enough to cause concern, since there were no brake lights. I was in Normal mode...maybe next time I'll try ECO as you aren't the first to attest that the lights come on some times with ACC.

 

[TyPope]

Omg I don't know how some people can drive. Let's see there is a car in front of me what shall I do. Per haps tap brake. Use foot on gas until car is not in my way then hit resume on the cruise? What a concept.

The adaptive cruise is especially nice in traffic. Am I driving? yes. Do I have to keep my foot hovering over the gas pedal or brake? No. It just makes driving a little nicer. It isn't that doing your 3-step process is hard; it just gets repetitive after about the 1,000th time...

 

[Proflig8tor]

Been thinking of making a YouTube video review of the CP 360 Assist package.

Day job is a pilot on an Airbus product, so used to operating a fly-by-wire vehicle where assists are never completely off. The numbers bear out the safety improvements that autopilots enable. Consider these data points:

• Tesla on autopilot: 1 non-fatal accident per 4.85 million miles driven
• Normal car: 1 FATAL accident per 1.97 accidents per 1 million miles

My kids are at the age that they will someday drive the cars we are buying now. I seriously doubt anything in the Ford package would save a fatal wreck for the passengers in a Maverick, but it might prevent a pedestrian event. The $750 is an easy decision to avoid any sort of accident (deductible, possibly traffic court, etc).

We live and work in congested areas where parallel parking and doing three-point turns are several times a day occurrences. The rear parking sensors may have already saved a scratch.

The adaptive cruise control is useful on the freeway. It will maintain a steady distance from the average Camry driver who does 70 when driving and slows to 51 so they can be on social media while driving. Also, trucks going up and down hills with a load. Ford's display has three or four very light bars illustrating the distance selected by the operator. These are very difficult to see. Like all manufacturers (including Tesla) the vehicle slows even when it is apparent the vehicle in front is slowing to make a turn and get out of the way. The Ford will slow, and even stop, until they are completely clear of the lane. You must press the accelerator to then proceed from a stop.

I have not seen emergency braking or evasive steering activated. I did get a frontal collision warning as I passed a vehicle entering the right turn lane. I don't mind nuisance warnings if that is the cost for having a warning when needed.

The Lane Centering is very weak and easily confused by intersections, offramps and turn lanes. It also requires a several-step process to activate. Cruise control on, cruise control set, adaptive cruise control on, then a gray steering wheel appears. When the Lane Centering is confident the wheel turns green and it centers in the lane. However, the Maverick has to sense your hand on the wheel (measuring torque) and too much torque will disconnect the Lane Centering. Because the display is so small the operator of the vehicle may be unaware that the Lane Centering has deactivated. You really cannot use this system to say, put on a neck tie (even a clip on), while driving. It is an aid and not at all the kind of system Tesla has (even base autopilot). Tesla's system is not only stronger, but it looks at the behavior of other traffic and adapts to cars illegally entering your lane and even running you down from behind. The Tesla will actively evade an accident!

One thing I do like about Ford's system is that it remains active when changing lanes. Turn on your blinker, change lanes and as soon as you are centered, ACC and LC re-engage without having to do anything. Also if LC gets lost it will go grey and then re-engage when it is confident again.

And one bit of trivia - does anyone know why pigeons and chickens bob their heads when they walk? (some lizards do the same) ...

Depth perception. Important in self driving applications. Need two eyes pointing the same direction, or a head bob and compare the different pictures. When Tesla couldn't get parking sensors (supply chain) they just wrote software to use their cameras and removed the little sensors (cheaper, easier to build).

 

[colinl]

According to my wife, the brake lights never came on except when I had to phycically hit them due to a few quick 45 MPH crossovers for freeway construction. Mind you, my speeds never dropped below 60 due to using ACC, but that 10-20 mph drop (at times) was enough to cause concern, since there were no brake lights. I was in Normal mode...maybe next time I'll try ECO as you aren't the first to attest that the lights come on some times with ACC.

respectfully, the most likely answer is that she's mistaken. that would indeed be very concerning if it worked that way. but starting around 2007, Ford had most of this functionality in ACC, and all of it starting in 2014 with the Fusion hybrid with ACC. it's a little hard to believe that it would function the way your wife is reporting to have observed.

if you really want to test it, I would get a different helper to follow you and call them and tell them what you're doing, or what the truck is doing, on ACC and without.

 

[BradnChristine]

respectfully, the most likely answer is that she's mistaken. that would indeed be very concerning if it worked that way. but starting around 2007, Ford had most of this functionality in ACC, and all of it starting in 2014 with the Fusion hybrid with ACC. it's a little hard to believe that it would function the way your wife is reporting to have observed.

if you really want to test it, I would get a different helper to follow you and call them and tell them what you're doing, or what the truck is doing, on ACC and without.

Way off base. She is not mistaken.

I suspect you think I drive where I have to have some sort of necessary hard braking (with ACC). My ACC braking was, as I said, just slower 15-20 Mph drops at the furthest ACC distance level and never down below 60.

Maybe if:
I was driving at a closer interval in an urban situation;
I had to slow dramatically/rapidly;
I had a bunch of regenerative braking going on;
THEN the ACC would have to be more aggressive and activate the brakes/brake lights
OR maybe mine is just broken.

ANY AND ALL of those things are more likely than my wife not seeing a visible brake light. I'm just relating our trip across a total of 290 miles on I-90 yesterday. You can choose to believe your lights are coming on when you slow or not. I've no doubt that the brake lights will come on at some times using ACC, but I also have no doubt that they don't come on as much as I'd like to alert the car behind me.

By the way, try telling your wife who has driven for over 30 years that you need a second opinion on whether your brake lights were visible. That is just TOO funny.

Frankly, the old taxi and busses that had amber lighting when there was no power or braking was a great idea and I'm sorry it never got adopted.

Edit: We were on the phone most of the trip, and when the ACC slowed me, IN REAL TIME, she reported NO brake lights...and when I did press the brakes, she was able to see the lights. Also, my 2017 Titanium C-Max Hybrid does NOT have ACC, only a standard Cruise control. Neither does my 2020 Ford Transit 350-HD MH. ACC was added to the 2021 Transit.

 

[colinl]

Way off base. She is not mistaken.

I suspect you think I drive where I have to have some sort of necessary hard braking (with ACC). My ACC braking was, as I said, just slower 15-20 Mph drops at the furthest ACC distance level and never down below 60.

Maybe if:
I was driving at a closer interval in an urban situation;
I had to slow dramatically/rapidly;
I had a bunch of regenerative braking going on;
THEN the ACC would have to be more aggressive and activate the brakes/brake lights
OR maybe mine is just broken.

ANY AND ALL of those things are more likely than my wife not seeing a visible brake light. I'm just relating our trip across a total of 290 miles on I-90 yesterday. You can choose to believe your lights are coming on when you slow or not. I've no doubt that the brake lights will come on at some times using ACC, but I also have no doubt that they don't come on as much as I'd like to alert the car behind me.

By the way, try telling your wife who has driven for over 30 years that you need a second opinion on whether your brake lights were visible. That is just TOO funny.

Frankly, the old taxi and busses that had amber lighting when there was no power or braking was a great idea and I'm sorry it never got adopted.

Edit: We were on the phone most of the trip, and when the ACC slowed me, IN REAL TIME, she reported NO brake lights...and when I did press the brakes, she was able to see the lights. Also, my 2017 Titanium C-Max Hybrid does NOT have ACC, only a standard Cruise control. Neither does my 2020 Ford Transit 350-HD MH. ACC was added to the 2021 Transit.

aha. follow distance 4 / max is not something I use very often. since you're on max follow distance if you approach another vehicle with a slow rate of closure it might very gradually back off the speed and not trigger any kind of braking. I can't see that this would really matter to someone following you if it's shaving off a few mph over 5-10 seconds, similar to coasting in a non-hybrid vehicle. They will have to brake or adjust cruise (assuming it isn't ACC), or coast if not using cruise at all.

But I would think if the 15-20 mph speed decrease happens within a few seconds that should be enough to require regenerative braking at the least and it'll trigger brake lights. Still worth testing to see if you can duplicate the issue, and then having the dealer look at it.

There is a brake light TSB, but it is the opposite of this type of issue - lights coming on when there was no braking. That's here: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...stay-on-brake-light-illumination-issue.21366/

 

[bwil415]

Maybe some actual testing is warranted.

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