607,568 in 1966

[TacoHolder]

Yeah you're absolutely right we aren't. Ford builds cars in Mexico instead of Michigan, California, and New Jersey. Everything is financed and you get laughed off the lot if you want to pay cash. We have to depend on imports for everything because no one in the United States of America *makes* anything anymore. Inflation is running rampant but most of it is bc companies have the market power (read: monopoly) to pad their margin while the customer gets screwed six ways to Sunday! The financialization of the economy is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country and I absolutely blame big corporations like Ford for participating in it.

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[AzCactusGray]

I listened to his podcasts for more years than I can count. Some of his viewpoints were valid, many others were the equivalent of the late night commercials for "lawyers" saying they can get you maximum compensation for hot coffee on your crotch.

My opinion stands.

And how's that different than any other attorney! And regarding the McDonald's hot coffee thing, that coffee was actually scalding hot, there's more to that story than people realize.
I have no desire to change your opinion, we all have one, right? But that's the thing, it's just an opinion, it is not fact. Here's the reality, lawyers are like flies, they're pests, but life would really suck if we did not have them around.

 

[Espeer]

My expectations from Tesla vs Ford are dramatically different. Tesla is still basically a startup

Ok, now I know you've gone off the deep end. Tesla is not just a bigger company than Ford, it is a 12 times larger company!

 

[Delzona]

July 4, 2021

July 5, 2021...still waiting!

 

[Delzona]

https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/uk-eliminating-car-ownership/

I can see how this might be tried in the large cities in the US, but outside of the cities I don't see this working. Unlike Europe, the US just doesn't have the same kind of public transportation system to make it easier for US citizens to leave the car at home. The one thing we lack in the US is a public light rail system. When I was station in England and Germany, I did many daytrips or even multiday trips without needing a car. It was easy to take the rail from city to city or even country to country and finish the last miles by either bus or cab. Right now in the US if you're not flying to your destination then the only other way to travel is by Greyhound bus or one of the multitude of bus companies.

 

[Redneck Garage]

July 5, 2021...still waiting!

AND AzCactusGray point is that there are certainly folks out there that ordered the same exact truck as you did possibly a month to three months later and have their truck already is totally valid. The "allocation" model is total crap when dealing with a truck that supposedly is customer order only such as the hybrid Maverick. Why should dealer volume matter if you are a customer placing a individual order - supply chain issues aren't a factor, chip shortages arent a factor, A July 5th order for an XLT should be filled before someone that ordered an XLT in August no matter which dealer it is ordered thru.

 

[bombast]

Ok, now I know you've gone off the deep end. Tesla is not just a bigger company than Ford, it is a 12 times larger company!

Valuation is not size.

 

[Delzona]

Very well stated salient points. However, Ford and other auto companies did screw up by canceling their chip orders. They also dropped the ball by using chips straight out of the 90s produced at antique wafer fabs that are not profitable. My tossing in the production numbers was more to stir the pot than anything.. (I like popcorn...) And it worked, the same old curmudgeons just had to step up and say their thing... And I'm not referring to your response because again your reasoning is well thought out and factual.
But I will also go on to say that I do believe Ford has dropped the ball in spite of the pandemic.
The pandemic has obviously caused problems, any rational person would agree to this. That said, the pandemic is also being used as an excuse for poor business practice and management. All that aside, my complaint is actually the allocation, and it being used to allow someone who orders later to get their vehicle sooner then the people who ordered early on. In my case I know of a situation where the person ordered the exact same vehicle I ordered all the way down to the color and options... In October, and they now have their vehicle. There were only two differences between their order and my order, when we ordered and the dealership. I ordered in July, they ordered in October and the dealership, we ordered from, different dealerships. Why he has his Maverick and I don't have mine comes down to allocation. I ordered in July and I'm still awaiting a build date, he ordered in October and they now have their Maverick.
In the fine print somewhere be it on the Ford website or at the dealer, it should have been stated that dealer allocation may have an effect when you receive your order. You know, full disclosure that allows people to make a informed decision. I don't think I'm being unreasonable expecting that information to be provided so I could have made an informed choice. Do you?

This is one thing I can totally agree with you on!! It pisses me off to keep reading how people who have ordered after me are receiving their Maverick before I do. Allocations are a real bs way to reward people who jumped to order as soon as they could. And if that wasn't bad enough, then you read or see STOCK Mavericks advertised by dealerships!! So that means instead of someone getting their Maverick build, a dealership got theirs built!! I do understand that some dealership Mavericks being sold are retail orders turned down by the customer. I don't have an issue with that, however, it would be a customer service move if said Maverick that was turned by the original customer was then offered by that the dealership to their other customers waiting for a Maverick to see if they would be interested in buying the Maverick! Overall, Ford has a lot of room to improve their customer relations in many areas. They really need to have a hard look at their allocation system because if this is going to the model for the future of buying vehicles then I can certainly see people researching to see which dealerships get more and faster allocations! I can even see that as a dealerships selling point. Forget about the small town dealerships being able to compete!
So I'm guessing that because I have once again blasted the poor customer service Ford has given us, my order just got pushed back another 2 weeks!

 

[AzCactusGray]

Ok, now I know you've gone off the deep end. Tesla is not just a bigger company than Ford, it is a 12 times larger company!

Tesla has in no way near the manufacturing capacity that Ford does. How exactly are you defining larger? Evaluation as in stock price?number of employees, theoretical manufacturing capacity? Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla I think Elon musk is a superhero, he's what billionaires should be... But if it came down to the ability to manufacture stuff, Tesla is not yet in the same class as Ford.

 

[Lone Star Proud]

Huh, if posts like mine are so exhausting, why do you take the time to read them and then respond? It posts such as mine are so terrible, prove it by ignoring the post and not responding....

Ain't it the truth.

 

[Lone Star Proud]

First off, you did not order directly from Ford, you ordered through a dealer. It's not Ford's fault you picked a dealer that doesn't have enough allocations to get you your truck early enough. You should've researched a bit and picked a high volume dealer.
Second, You are trolling.

I bet a big majority of the buyers here never heard of allocations until this all started happening. I sure as hell hadn't and had no idea my small town local dealer would be hamstrung by this.

 

[Red Ryder]

Tesla has in no way near the manufacturing capacity that Ford does. How exactly are you defining larger? Evaluation as in stock price?number of employees, theoretical manufacturing capacity? Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla I think Elon musk is a superhero, he's what billionaires should be... But if it came down to the ability to manufacture stuff, Tesla is not yet in the same class as Ford.

Back in the 1990's I recall a discussion at the office about Cisco being "larger" than General Motors.
It was stock valuation, not tangible wealth (assets, property, production capacity, etc.).
At the time, GM still had an economy larger than some countries' GDP. A lot of tech companies are volatile and have risen and fallen (think 1998). Stock value is Monopoly money.

As far as Elon goes, his government/space contracts will ensure success. I do think as the traditional automakers embrace EVs, they have the vast resources to surpass Tesla's lead in EVs, and certainly on a larger scale.

 

[Decayed]

I can see how this might be tried in the large cities in the US, but outside of the cities I don't see this working. Unlike Europe, the US just doesn't have the same kind of public transportation system to make it easier for US citizens to leave the car at home. The one thing we lack in the US is a public light rail system. When I was station in England and Germany, I did many daytrips or even multiday trips without needing a car. It was easy to take the rail from city to city or even country to country and finish the last miles by either bus or cab. Right now in the US if you're not flying to your destination then the only other way to travel is by Greyhound bus or one of the multitude of bus companies.

A major point here is that the US is geographically much larger than European Nations. Paris to Moscow is about 1700 miles. The distance from Portland ME to San Diego, CA is about 3100 miles.

I've used the rail system in the UK and it was great to travel between London and Edinburgh but that's only 418 miles. You simply can't put in that much rail here in the US and operate it economically.

 

[Evil2ltr]

Your comparison is a little bit lacking of proportional perspective and context.

First, 1966 was the THIRD FULL YEAR of production for the Mustang, not the first THREE MONTHS of a new product launch as in the case of the Maverick.

By 1966, Ford had THREE plants building the Mustang in Dearborn MI, San Jose CA, and Metuchen NJ - thus they had the capacity to build that many cars.

This year we also have this little thing called a PANDEMIC. This has cause a global shortage on manpower, supplies, parts, material and has cause production of literally everything to be at a 50-60% level.

People ....get some perspective.

Exactly...

 

[jalbano2]

607,568 is the number of Mustangs Ford was able to produce in 1966. That works out to about 50,600 Mustangs a month. Fast forward to 2021. Ford can barely produce 5,500 Mavericks a month. I'm in month 6 awaiting my Maverick. As of today I do not have a build date.
I just got off the phone with Ford customer service, I was told, off the record, that
I should expect it no sooner than April 2022. At first the reason was the pandemic and supply issues blah blah blah blah blah. And I do understand that to a point. But then I bring up the fact that I know the same exact vehicle that I ordered has been delivered to people that ordered well after I did... And then allocation was brought up as the real reason. It seems it really is not the pandemic at this point as it is allocation. I understand allocation as it may pertain if I wanted to buy a vehicle off the lot. I do not understand why it applies if I order my vehicle directly from Ford to be delivered to said dealership. One should have nothing to do with the other. So I went on to inquire as to why was I not told allocation would have bearing on when I get my vehicle, more so in fact than my order date. And I was told corporate could not give me that information, but the dealer could. Now what dealer would tell me that they do not have a large allocation and thus it will greatly delay when I get my Maverick, and risk not getting the sale? It really is BS.
Now I shall go make some popcorn and await the 'splaners to pontificate why I don't understand the big picture.
But facts are facts and in 1966 Ford produced over 600,000 Mustangs and in 2021 probably cannot produce 10% of that total in Mavericks in one model year.

These are the post that really need to be ignored. Just some one looking for reactions and clicks.

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