All I can say is imo the gov in this situation put the cart before the horse, the infrastructure needs to be in place across the whole country to support the push in a given direction , until that is in place mass acceptance across the whole country is not going to happen and the mfg will have to produce what’s needed for all to stay in business so ice will have its place in the mean time which at the current rate of infrastructure addictions it will be a long time
I have to go cut the grass so I guess this will be it for now lol. The grid has been being improved regularly. But IMHO the same people who are anti-ev or EV skeptics are the same ones who would complain if the government spent money to upgrade the grid. Private electrical companies are not going to spend money to add capacity that they don't need. And according to you people will not buy EVS until the grid is ready so then it will never happen. In my personal opinion people do not choose which type of car to buy based on the electrical grid that's the electric company's problem. In other words I don't know anybody who did not buy an EV who wanted one because they were afraid they were going to tax the grid. Did they have the same discussion when AC became commonplace in the united states? I wasn't alive then so I don't know. I don't know anybody who's going around shopping for a mcmansion that's 5,000 sq ft or more with multiple central air compressors sitting outside worrying about the grid....
You’re confusing “fewer than previously planned” with “fewer manufactured than in past years”. Or perhaps you enjoy arguing semantics.
That response was to the fella who said they should just cancel the ecoboost. The numbers tell a different story. That’s the only reason I made that statement. Even a more powerful hybrid may not be the choice some want. Some would also prefer the non turbo 2.0 for simplicity.
Yes but at a very increased price in both money and environment.How do you define substantial. The last few years wind and solar have added more power to the grid than any other source. The United States can and should continue updating the "grid" .
Chris I think you are forgetting that the government mandate is what some like me are worried about. Like the all ev by 2030 states. Thats the government saying you have to all in a very short time that will overload the grid and the private company won’t keep up.
Of course balanced makes the most sense but you don't make the perfect the enemy of the good so pointing out that every energy source has some negatives is normally just people poking holes in the ones that don't like. The same ones who say worry about eagles were the same types who back when the evil EPA banned DDT because it was making eagles go extinct would have complained about " an overreaching government" they only worry about the environmental impact when it's an energy source they don't like. If you look into it Coal it's dirtier and actually more expensive now if you want to talk about money. Electricity generating companies are closing down coal plants because renewables are actually cheaper for them. Strip mining, coal sludge etc...way worse. also usually the same people were against putting pollution scrubbers on coal plants. But I know certain public figures who fly around in private jets and live in multiple Mansions claim they're worried about birds suddenly so....They have found that painting a wind turbine a different color helps preven birds from flying into it. Also it's still better than everything else getting destroyed. I find it weird that the people who don't really care about the environment or animals going extinct suddenly care if the animal was killed by a turbine. Nuclear is a different discussion. But you're saying they're not allowing nuclear or coal that's why it is going up but we all have electricity right now don't we? So then it's working. They're limiting coal and people or the greater replacing it but renewables. It's been a hot summer here in Bucks county and my AC has been working everyday never woke up to a brown out yet
Actually there's nowhere where the government in the United States is saying we will only have EVS by 2030. And like everything else if things aren't ready they roll it back and put it off. I don't even know if I'll have an EV by then probably not I'll probably have a hybrid but that doesn't mean I'm against them.
So these mandates are not real?
Ok let's say there's "a better car" - maybe nuclear power that dumps nuclear waste as it goes down the road! that people love and "wins" the so called free market ( not exactly a free market if we spend hundreds of billions of dollars to have the military ensure the flow of oil worldwide...) but that winning car gives everyone cancer and nobody lives past 60 that would be ok to your purist ideology? 95% of people I know who use the term "free market " have never seen the inside of an economics book and are being manipulated. Oil is massively subsidized. So according to you if as a citizen if I don't care about the environment that's everyone else's problem? If I want to use my house as a nuclear waste dump that's my choice? No role for rules or regs?
First off what you’re doing is just flat out nonsense. Name one person or even better anyone here willing to drive a car that does that?
Shocking they get pushback not from consumers but from the unions they need support from. I’d say the fact they even started off with a mandate is the real issue. Bet 5 min after the election these will be adjusted again.
I ignore grid comments. It's sad how Americans have a can't do attitude.
