23N06 Customer Satisfaction Program (Hybrid Maverick) - engine long block replacement coverage for 10/100k miles (for DTC P1061 and/or P032F)

[AlsMaverick]

Agreed. The same people defending Ford for this, are the same people who blast KIA, Honda or Toyota for having similar issues, the hypocrisy is simply amusing.

Are they the same people? I hear that statement all the time. If you know they are the same then name names.

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[1Guy1Truck]

I'm no Ford fanboy by any stretch, they completely dropped the ball on the serious braking issue my truck had, and the battery issue.
Mine did the damper shudder a couple of times, but not since the software update. Bad rod bearings don't come and go. Curious, have you heard of, or seen a picture of, a hybrid Maverick with a hole in the side of the block?
Toyota approached a similar safety issue with our Prius inverter exactly the same way, so don't buy one of them.

Cheers.

I have not seen one with a hole in the block. But, I assume if ford is going through all this it has happened or they recognize it will happen. I don’t think they would just randomly decide to replace engine blocks.
I have no experience with the Prius and don’t intend to buy one but my Corolla which I still own is about to hit 200,000 miles. Has been trouble free the whole time.

 

[1Guy1Truck]

Love your speculation. I don't see Ford trying to avoid engine replacement. What I see is that they performed recalls to avoid fires while they determined, to the best of the abilities, to identify a proper solution.

To the best of their abilities? To me that would mean not installing bad rod bearings. You would think after over 100 years ford would have that figured out. I also find it funny you think they just discovered this as the root cause. Umm not a chance, they were told that original fix was not good enough. They would have had no problem just leaving it there.

 

[AlsMaverick]

To the best of their abilities? To me that would mean not installing bad rod bearings. You would think after over 100 years ford would have that figured out. I also find it funny you think they just discovered this as the root cause. Umm not a chance, they were told that original fix was not good enough. They would have had no problem just leaving it there.

Got proof?

 

[1Guy1Truck]

Got proof?

Of what? You think it takes an auto manufacture 2 years to discover a bad rod bearing? Takes anyone with ears 2 seconds to diagnose bad rod bearings. This will cost ford a fortune and I’m glad.

 

[FloodingdowninTX]

Of what? You think it takes an auto manufacture 2 years to discover a bad rod bearing? Takes anyone with ears 2 seconds to diagnose bad rod bearings. This will cost ford a fortune and I’m glad.

My better judgment tells me to stay out of this but, a couple of things.
Let's start with ears. If a non test- dummy driver hears bad humors from the engine compartment or a wheel blowout for that matter, they're supposed to stop the vehicle and turn it off as soon as safe to do so.
But the lawyers had Ford add a layer of detection in the software, kind of like a tpms.
Next, I don't know if there are any or many engines with holes from rods/cranks/ bearings or whatever. Please share these or engine fire cases in hybrids since I'm ignorant of any. But I expect the fine councilors for the car company can project in their minds such instances and the liability involved. Naturally Ford takes their advice to protect against the needle in the haystack and offer a definitive mehanical solution (an engine with shiny clean rods and stuff) in any detected instance.
I respect your concerns. No offense intended. I'm driving a vehicle myself from that pool, and feel confident about it.

 

[icegradner]

My better judgment tells me to stay out of this but, a couple of things.
Let's start with ears. If a non test- dummy driver hears bad humors from the engine compartment or a wheel blowout for that matter, they're supposed to stop the vehicle and turn it off as soon as safe to do so.
But the lawyers had Ford add a layer of detection in the software, kind of like a tpms.
Next, I don't know if there are any or many engines with holes from rods/cranks/ bearings or whatever. Please share these or engine fire cases in hybrids since I'm ignorant of any. But I expect the fine councilors for the car company can project in their minds such instances and the liability involved. Naturally Ford takes their advice to protect against the needle in the haystack and offer a definitive mehanical solution (an engine with shiny clean rods and stuff) in any detected instance.
I respect your concerns. No offense intended. I'm driving a vehicle myself from that pool, and feel confident about it.

All the confirmed fires were in Escape Hybrids and Corsair Hybrids which share the same 2.5L engine, from the same factory in Mexico, made during the same time period. There are unconfirmed cases of fires in Maverick Hybrids. One owner on the Maverick Reddit group posted just such a case back in the late winter, Ford had left him in limbo without a vehicle for 2-3 months at that point. Sorry I no longer have the link, it can be found in one of the many threads on the engine fire recall here on this forum, but I don't even remember which one.

 

[KeinoDoggy]

My last post got deleted for “name calling” lol.
my opinion on this is no one should be defending ford. They have known about this for 2 years and tried to get away with just cutting holes in the cover under your engine. That way when your rod bearing failed and sent oil pouring out of your engine they hoped the oil wouldn’t pool up and burn you and your truck to the ground. Obviously that wasn’t good enough so for about a year they had another recall pending an actual fix. So they let you drive around for a year while they avoided the inevitable engine replacement. Well now it’s here, and in the form of a CSP and not a recall. I am convinced this is the cause of the noise that made hybrid Mavericks sound like diesel tractors, as well as certain escapes. Ford should not be defended for this. They tried every possible route to avoid doing this.
this is my first ford and will definitely be my last.

You are 100% correct.

 

[FloodingdowninTX]

All the confirmed fires were in Escape Hybrids and Corsair Hybrids which share the same 2.5L engine, from the same factory in Mexico, made during the same time period. There are unconfirmed cases of fires in Maverick Hybrids. One owner on the Maverick Reddit group posted just such a case back in the late winter, Ford had left him in limbo without a vehicle for 2-3 months at that point. Sorry I no longer have the link, it can be found in one of the many threads on the engine fire recall here on this forum, but I don't even remember which one.

That explains the warranty offer to Corair and Escape hybrids and maybe a Maverick case. Hopefully no deaths or other injuries to the families. Let's all be careful out there.

 

[skinnyboy]

I have no experience with the Prius and don’t intend to buy one but my Corolla which I still own is about to hit 200,000 miles. Has been trouble free the whole time.

I like these stories, my son just bought a '24 hatch.

Cheers.

 

[1Guy1Truck]

I like these stories, my son just bought a '24 hatch.

Cheers.

Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.

 

[Grim_Skunk]

Agreed. The same people defending Ford for this, are the same people who blast KIA, Honda or Toyota for having similar issues, the hypocrisy is simply amusing.

I see what your saying.. I guess I'll lump myself in that category. To be honest I'm no Ford fan boy... But I do love the Maverick though.

How many Kia and Hyundai engine fires have they had the past year VS Ford Maverick (2.5L Hybrid) engine fire? Ford could have done no preventive updates, and just replaced the knocking motors like Kia and Hyundai.

I see Kia fires all the time example:

 

[Darnon]

How many Kia and Hyundai engine fires have they had the past year VS Ford Maverick (2.5L Hybrid) engine fire? Ford could have done no preventive updates, and just replaced the knocking motors like Kia and Hyundai.

From the filings to the NHTSA Ford identified about 23 instances globally from 2020 to June 2022 of engine compartment thermal events/smoke/fire on 2.5 equipped hybrids, although not all definitively were engine failures. Another 6 instances globally from August 2022 to May 2023 with 4 being confirmed block breaches. At least as of the chronology update June 2023 none of the engines produced after September 2022 had failed.

Edit: I was checking on numbers for the Hyundai/Kia Theta II engine failure rates and, interestingly, Ford's quoted rate of 17 instances per 100,000 vehicles for the 2.5L engine actually is pretty average if anything according to the IIHS. (The Theta IIs were a claim frequency of about 2.7-3.0, although with a population of some 4 million vehicles affected the total number of instances would consequently be an order of magnitude higher)

 

[FloodingdowninTX]

From the filings to the NHTSA Ford identified about 23 instances globally from 2020 to June 2022 of engine compartment thermal events/smoke/fire on 2.5 equipped hybrids, although not all definitively were engine failures. Another 6 instances globally from August 2022 to May 2023 with 4 being confirmed block breaches. At least as of the chronology update June 2023 none of the engines produced after September 2022 had failed.

Informative good post.

 

[Suzukiridr14]

I just read in the internet that Ford will replace the engine block on hybrids that have the problem of catching fire due to the crankshaft bearing chafing. Fords coverage for this is a 1 time replacement 10 years, or 100K miles. This is transferable to the next owner, so you can garantee the next owner if the truck blows up, Ford will replace the engine at no cost!

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