Another reason not to own a EV

[MetalThunder]

The unreliability of current EV battery tech/ range depending on the weather is a nail in them for me

EVs Lose Significant Battery Range in a Heat Dome

Scientific American reported that when outside temperatures hit 95 degrees Fahrenheit, which can happen during a heat dome, using air conditioning can reduce an EV's driving range by up to 17%. A recent study of 7,500 EVs by Recurrent concluded that range loss in temps above 95 degrees was more like 20-30%.

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[LSchicago]

The unreliability of current EV battery tech/ range depending on the weather is a nail in them for me

EVs Lose Significant Battery Range in a Heat Dome

Scientific American reported that when outside temperatures hit 95 degrees Fahrenheit, which can happen during a heat dome, using air conditioning can reduce an EV's driving range by up to 17%. A recent study of 7,500 EVs by Recurrent concluded that range loss in temps above 95 degrees was more like 20-30%.

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That's like 6-10 days a year here in the midwest. Really a non issue.

 

[Gonzo chris]

That's like 6-10 days a year here in the midwest. Really a non issue.

I wouldn't like reduced driving range but again yeah how many days is it. But I get it if some people have a situation where it would really affect their day-to-day life. It wouldn't affect me. I don't think though. I live 3 and 1/2 mi from my job so a slight drop in range when it really matter. As for the cold, EVs are most popular in Norway and it gets pretty chilly but it's like talking to a wall really. It's like they say people believe what they want to believe. I mean I don't own an EV yet and I don't know when I will. My next vehicle is likely to be a Maverick hybrid and I do see some of the downsides not just the upsides but it's like some of these guys out here got blinders on.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

That's why I don't own a car at all because a thief might steal it. I don't know a house either because somebody might break into it. So what I do is I sleep under a bridge. I don't own the bridge so I don't have to worry about it

Great user name.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Great user name.

Thanks man. But to be real about it all. Thieves are stealing catalytic converters like crazy. So you don't have to worry about that with an EV. You have to worry about cables getting stolen. But most people do 95% of they're charging at home. If I lived in the city and I didn't have my own charging space, I wouldn't get an EV. But most people in the suburbs like me have a place at home to charge it. My work truck had the catalytic converter cut out of it right in the parking lot of our building last year

 

[Hunters Edge]

Just another day, another article and yet possibly another reason not to buy an EV.

https://www.businessinsider.com/used-electric-vehicles-price-crash-gas-cars-ev-demand-tesla-2024-6

 

[Gonzo chris]

Just another day, another article and yet possibly another reason not to buy an EV.

https://www.businessinsider.com/used-electric-vehicles-price-crash-gas-cars-ev-demand-tesla-2024-6

You're locked into the algorithm......lol
It's odd. The other argument I have heard against EVS for so long is that they are so expensive and there's a premium over gas. I agreed with that to a large extent. Now prices for EVS are coming down to Earth and getting comparable with gas and people are now saying " look EVS are worth less so don't buy one!". It's almost like heads I win tails You lose. Supply for EVs is way up so the price is coming down. It's supply and demand. If you look at that article the price for gas cars has also dropped but not as much because they weren't as overpriced. Here's a quote from the article "By another measure, the average price of an EV fell 29.5% between May 2023 and 2024, compared to a 6.1% slide for combustion engine cars" . . EV sales as a percentage of the American car market are up compared to last year or the year before. Just not up as quickly as expected.

 

[Hunters Edge]

You're locked into the algorithm......lol
It's odd. The other argument I have heard against EVS for so long is that they are so expensive and there's a premium over gas. I agreed with that to a large extent. Now prices for EVS are coming down to Earth and getting comparable with gas and people are now saying " look EVS are worth less so don't buy one!". It's almost like heads I win tails You lose. Supply for EVs is way up so the price is coming down. It's supply and demand. If you look at that article the price for gas cars has also dropped but not as much because they weren't as overpriced. Here's a quote from the article "By another measure, the average price of an EV fell 29.5% between May 2023 and 2024, compared to a 6.1% slide for combustion engine cars" . . EV sales as a percentage of the American car market are up compared to last year or the year before. Just not up as quickly as expected.

I read this so it's a quote.

"Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the "Internal Combustion Engine"! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refuelled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and use far less steel and other materials."

 

[Gonzo chris]

I read this so it's a quote.

"Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the "Internal Combustion Engine"! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refuelled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and use far less steel and other materials."

First of all, I'm not against internal combustion engines. I'm actually a fan but I also don't look at it like a religion. Are you telling me that oil is a renewable resource? What is used for batteries isn't rare. It's just not mined for as much. Also unlike gasoline battery technology is advancing at a much more rapid rate. Would you be saying the same things if they come out with a solid state battery that has the same power at 1/4 The weight of current battery technology while lasting 1 million miles and fully recyclable? Also, the weight difference isn't half. I just did a quick search in a Hyundai ioniq 6 weighs between 3,900 and 4,500 lb, whereas a Toyota Camry, similar size car, weighs between 3300 and 3600 lb.
The scenario you quoted already happened. They had electric cars over 100 years ago but the battery technology wasn't up the snuff and obviously the electrical grid wasn't either. I'm sure there were people back then saying they will never have electricity in Appalachia and there's no way they're going to run wires all over the whole country. Yada yada yada. We can't do anything. We might as well just use whale oil for lighting what's the deal with this newfangled light bulb......?
As for four times the range? I don't know. I see EVS today that have 400 mi of range. There's not that many gasoline cars that have 1,600 mi on a tank. But yes, gasoline or diesel has a lot more energy density so you can easily add a bigger tank more easily then adding battery. That's why most sane people don't say that current EVS are good for all situations or all people. The issue is there's some people that say "I tow 10,000 lb through the Yukon in the middle of winter 800 miles every day and an EV won't work for me. So therefore it won't work for a suburban wife going to Target on Saturday.....

 

[Gonzo chris]

I read this so it's a quote.

"Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the "Internal Combustion Engine"! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refuelled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and use far less steel and other materials."

You contradict yourself ,you start this thread was about how EVS are crashing in price both new and used and then you quote something where imagine if all cars were EVS and internal combustion engines came out at half the price. Which is it or Ev's twice the price or are they crashing in price?

 

[SLINGSHOT]

Saw this today: 46% of current EV owners will be going back to ICE or Hybrid.
Of course, it was an article on the TV news, so a bit more reliable than than an online forum, but more reliable than a FaceCrap post or a Twitter (yup, TWITTER) tweet.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Saw this today: 46% of current EV owners will be going back to ICE or Hybrid.
Of course, it was an article on the TV news, so a bit more reliable than than an online forum, but more reliable than a FaceCrap post or a Twitter (yup, TWITTER) tweet.

Which TV news? I read something similar to that like a year ago. That was before the price drops but it depends on lots of things. The cost of an EV, improvements in charging infrastructure, gas prices. If gas goes up to $6 a gallon and it makes more sense to people. Like me I don't drive a lot of miles so if an EV cost a good bit more it's not worth it because the savings are in gas. Charging is not really a major concern for me because the vast majority of my driving is local so I would just charge it at home.

 

[MetalThunder]

Sign of the Times

Ford Cancels NEW $3 Billion EV Factory To Build Gas and Diesel Trucks Instead

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[Gonzo chris]

Sign of the Times

Ford Cancels NEW $3 Billion EV Factory To Build Gas and Diesel Trucks Instead

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Some of you guys are like a one-hit Wonder. You don't have to buy one. I don't own one but I'm not against them because I'm not a knee-jerk reactionary who hates anything that was invented after I hit puberty...... Also, that link you included had an article that was all the one paragraph that really had no insight at all. But yes, Ford is not particularly competitive in anything that is innovative over the last 30 years from what I can see. The growth in EV sales has slowed which is not the same as saying they're not selling. They're just not increasing in sales as quickly as before. What you're doing is like saying inflation was 5%. Now it's 3%, so prices are going down. No they are not going down. They're just going up at 3% rather than 5%.. also like any bubble people see money and they overdo it. If sales amongst EVS are not exploding like they were before, that's a good time to buy one. Unless you're looking to be one of the cool kids,.... Because that's when you get a better deal. The reality is companies that are making decent EVS are seeing very strong sales growth, never thought I would say this but Hyundai/ Kia is really showing Ford on the lower end of the market how to make an EV. I hope Ford can survive being strictly a domestic manufacturer of large trucks and SUVs, the former being sold to an ever-shrinking demographic. Kind of like Harley Davidson.

 

[Hunters Edge]

Some of you guys are like a one-hit Wonder. You don't have to buy one. I don't own one but I'm not against them because I'm not a knee-jerk reactionary who hates anything that was invented after I hit puberty...... Also, that link you included had an article that was all the one paragraph that really had no insight at all. But yes, Ford is not particularly competitive in anything that is innovative over the last 30 years from what I can see. The growth in EV sales has slowed which is not the same as saying they're not selling. They're just not increasing in sales as quickly as before. What you're doing is like saying inflation was 5%. Now it's 3%, so prices are going down. No they are not going down. They're just going up at 3% rather than 5%.. also like any bubble people see money and they overdo it. If sales amongst EVS are not exploding like they were before, that's a good time to buy one. Unless you're looking to be one of the cool kids,.... Because that's when you get a better deal. The reality is companies that are making decent EVS are seeing very strong sales growth, never thought I would say this but Hyundai/ Kia is really showing Ford on the lower end of the market how to make an EV. I hope Ford can survive being strictly a domestic manufacturer of large trucks and SUVs, the former being sold to an ever-shrinking demographic. Kind of like Harley Davidson.

LOL, that's global with some countries EV are mandatory and others like China that were sold but are just sitting. EV technology will have to improve before it's accepted. That being said by that time many other alternatives may well be possible and accepted.

You diss Ford but gave credit to Kia. Do you have any idea how many car manufacturers have gone belly up in the 130 yrs Ford has been in business besides surviving several recessions and a depression? How soon we forget that GM would also been one of those lost manufacturers without the government bailout. For trolling you are hilarious.

FYI Ford is in business to make money. Just for the record it is based on making and selling vehicles. That being self evident you are not grasping the fact that they are governed by what the consumer wants more specifically what the masses want, or will purchase and/or what the market will bear.

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