Another reason not to own a EV

[Hunters Edge]

Hopefully they're fixing that issue. I read they spent over $1 billion on warranty claims. To be honest, the only thing, besides not wanting another car payment right now with a kid ready to go to college in a year, from getting a Maverick is a lot of what I've read out here. I take it with a grain of salt cuz I know you hear the horror stories more on forums but still. As for older ones being driven, that might have something to do with the customer base as well. Who knows? I feel like in particular with pickup trucks you might get more guys keeping them longer

Actually the Ford Maverick has a pretty high customer satisfaction. At least from articles about it. I didn't go with the hybrid for several reasons. One not much difference in highway mpg. Two AWD not available in hybrid, Three majority of recalls have been on the hybrid. Four I need the 4k tow package. Five the cold decreases the battery's life expectancy so I even ordered the engine block heater on the 2.0 ecoboost. Six lastly the additional cost attributed to the hybrid and even the maintenance of it. At the time I was considering waiting for the 25 for AWD but I already didn't want to pay 1500 for the hybrid so I surely didn't want to pay for the price increase on the new model year as well.

Anyway I fully understand your reasoning. Your child's education far exceeds the need or luxury of a new vehicle.

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[Gonzo chris]

Actually the Ford Maverick has a pretty high customer satisfaction. At least from articles about it. I didn't go with the hybrid for several reasons. One not much difference in highway mpg. Two AWD not available in hybrid, Three majority of recalls have been on the hybrid. Four I need the 4k tow package. Five the cold decreases the battery's life expectancy so I even ordered the engine block heater on the 2.0 ecoboost. Six lastly the additional cost attributed to the hybrid and even the maintenance of it. At the time I was considering waiting for the 25 for AWD but I already didn't want to pay 1500 for the hybrid so I surely didn't want to pay for the price increase on the new model year as well.

Anyway I fully understand your reasoning. Your child's education far exceeds the need or luxury of a new vehicle.

Yeah I wish the hybrid had the AWD with the IRS. My feeling on the dependability is the hybrid and the more likely to have recall and software issues in the short-term, but I think long-term it might be more reliable since it doesn't have direct injection or a turbo.
Most of my driving is suburban so the mpg difference would be more significant

 

[Hunters Edge]

Yeah I wish the hybrid had the AWD with the IRS. My feeling on the dependability is the hybrid and the more likely to have recall and software issues in the short-term, but I think long-term it might be more reliable since it doesn't have direct injection or a turbo.
Most of my driving is suburban so the mpg difference would be more significant

If the majority of your driving is city the hybrid may be cost efficient. I'm not a fan of the electric CVT I like having an 8 speed transmission. I also like that it increases torque also it can take a drive line shock both are used when towing and the torque on and off road. The electric CVT was another reason I didn't want the hybrid, I forgot to put that on my earlier post. I really have been impressed with the Maverick since I've got it. Actually it impress's me everytime I drive or use it.

Haven't used the AWD much or needed to yet. This winter will be a test. The cold plus using AWD will tell me how it will effect fuel economy. Still beats my 08 F150 hands down in several categories.

 

[Gonzo chris]

If the majority of your driving is city the hybrid may be cost efficient. I'm not a fan of the electric CVT I like having an 8 speed transmission. I also like that it increases torque also it can take a drive line shock both are used when towing and the torque on and off road. The electric CVT was another reason I didn't want the hybrid, I forgot to put that on my earlier post. I really have been impressed with the Maverick since I've got it. Actually it impress's me everytime I drive or use it.

Haven't used the AWD much or needed to yet. This winter will be a test. The cold plus using AWD will tell me how it will effect fuel economy. Still beats my 08 F150 hands down in several categories.

I've never driven the ecvt. I hate a regular CVT but I'm instead of people out here who have the electric one seem to say it's a totally different animal.

 

[Hunters Edge]

I've never driven the ecvt. I hate a regular CVT but I'm instead of people out here who have the electric one seem to say it's a totally different animal.

Keep in mind there are pros and cons with everything. Just look at prescriptions, sometimes the side effects aren't worth it

Anyway I mentioned needing the 4k tow package and the advantages of transmissions increasing torque and absorbing a drive line shock. From what I've gathered the ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables, comparing it to CVT. Unfortunately neither ECVT or EVT seems to be as long lasting as transmissions.

"How long does eCVT transmission last?


around 100,000 miles

The repair and replacement costs can also be more expensive, to the tune of several thousand dollars, likely because CVT systems don't generally last as long as traditional systems. They can fail around 100,000 miles, while a traditional transmission can last up to twice that.
https://www.caranddriver.com
What Is a CVT Transmission? - Car and Driver

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Hope this information helps you or others trying to decide.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Keep in mind there are pros and cons with everything. Just look at prescriptions, sometimes the side effects aren't worth it

Anyway I mentioned needing the 4k tow package and the advantages of transmissions increasing torque and absorbing a drive line shock. From what I've gathered the ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables. Unfortunately neither ECVT or EVT seems to be as long lasting as transmissions.

"How long does eCVT transmission last?


around 100,000 miles

The repair and replacement costs can also be more expensive, to the tune of several thousand dollars, likely because CVT systems don't generally last as long as traditional systems. They can fail around 100,000 miles, while a traditional transmission can last up to twice that.
https://www.caranddriver.com
What Is a CVT Transmission? - Car and Driver

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Hope this information helps you or others trying to decide.

I know CVT transmissions don't last as long. That's one reason I want my wife to get rid of our Honda CRV but she won't. But I thought the ecvt lasted longer at least according to some of the threads I read out here. The description of an ecvt seemed more like a rear diff or something

 

[NedF]

Keep in mind there are pros and cons with everything. Just look at prescriptions, sometimes the side effects aren't worth it

Anyway I mentioned needing the 4k tow package and the advantages of transmissions increasing torque and absorbing a drive line shock. From what I've gathered the ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables, comparing it to CVT. Unfortunately neither ECVT or EVT seems to be as long lasting as transmissions.

"How long does eCVT transmission last?


around 100,000 miles

The repair and replacement costs can also be more expensive, to the tune of several thousand dollars, likely because CVT systems don't generally last as long as traditional systems. They can fail around 100,000 miles, while a traditional transmission can last up to twice that.
https://www.caranddriver.com
What Is a CVT Transmission? - Car and Driver

"

Hope this information helps you or others trying to decide.

AI has failed you in this search. You asked about eCVT and it gave you the typical lifespan of a CVT. The eCVT is so different from the CVT Ford should have named it something else.

Plug "how long does a Prius transmission last" into AI and you will get 200,000 - 300,000 miles and still going. The Ford eCVT is a closer comparison to the Toyota eCVT than any CVT out there.

By most accounts an eCVT will outlast your typical Automatic Transmission with a life span of 150,000 - 200,000 miles.

 

[Hunters Edge]

AI has failed you in this search. You asked about eCVT and it gave you the typical lifespan of a CVT. The eCVT is so different from the CVT Ford should have named it something else.

Plug "how long does a Prius transmission last" into AI and you will get 200,000 - 300,000 miles and still going. The Ford eCVT is a closer comparison to the Toyota eCVT than any CVT out there.

By most accounts an eCVT will outlast your typical Automatic Transmission with a life span of 150,000 - 200,000 miles.

Let's see your data, from a reliable source. I posted what came up. Not from me or rumors but from Car and Driver. It appears they have similar longevity the ECVT and CVT and far less than a transmission. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

You either missed this in my previous post or read what you wanted. Quote

"From what I've gathered ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables. Unfortunately neither the ECVT or CVT seems to be as long lasting as a transmission"

 

[SLINGSHOT]

50 years ago, Car and Driver was a respected magazine. Now, it is a mouthpiece for whoever "donates" the most money and cars to "test".
When I see them praising a Stellantis product . . .

 

[Gonzo chris]

Let's see your data, from a reliable source. I posted what came up. Not from me or rumors but from Car and Driver. It appears they have similar longevity the ECVT and CVT and far less than a transmission. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

You either missed this in my previous post or read what you wanted. Quote

"From what I've gathered ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables. Unfortunately neither the ECVT or CVT seems to be as long lasting as a transmission"

Actually that would come under more of another reason not to own a hybrid if the ECVT in question is actually less reliable. I'm sure some of them are less, some of them are more. As others have said Toyota has had great reliability with their version. Actually if you think about it regarding an EV the vast, vast majority of them don't even have any shifting of gears there is one reduction gear and that is it. Hard to get more dependable than that if it's made right. So I think it has less to do with the fundamental design of an EV transmission and more on who is executing it or in this regards a hybrid transmission. Any company that can make an 8-speed automatic semi-reliable should be able to make a single speed EV extremely reliable as it never shifts. So I would say the transmission is one more reason to get an EV
Some higher-end EVS like Porsche or Audi often have a two-speed transmission but that's it. But I can't comprehend how seeing there are plenty of 10 speed transmissions on the market now how a 2 speed would be less reliable if made right.

 

[MavDan]

OP still fighting for his life in this thread?

 

[NedF]

Let's see your data, from a reliable source. I posted what came up. Not from me or rumors but from Car and Driver. It appears they have similar longevity the ECVT and CVT and far less than a transmission. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.

You either missed this in my previous post or read what you wanted. Quote

"From what I've gathered ECVT seems better eliminating pulleys and cables. Unfortunately neither the ECVT or CVT seems to be as long lasting as a transmission"

Huh? so you cite an answer directly from a search as "your data" I reply with a more appropriate search question and you want me to do your work? I already know how reliable the eCVT is as I have researched it extensively prior to accepting delivery on my Hybrid. I am convinced it is a much more reliable technology. There are hundreds, if not thousands of taxis in many major cities with very high mileage with eCVT transmissions (Prius), so it's not guessing, its real life. The transmission in my previous GM SUV crapped out just as my warranty ended (known issue with the 3, 5, R wave plate). Shrapnel was thrown all over inside and it cost about $5,000 to fix it... Just after it happened GM stepped up and extended the warranty for this deficiency and although they thought the amount of damage was too extensive (I was accelerating hard to merge onto the freeway when I crapped out) GM paid for 1/2 of the repair so it cost me $2500 - 10 years ago.

 

[Hunters Edge]

Huh? so you cite an answer directly from a search as "your data" I reply with a more appropriate search question and you want me to do your work? I already know how reliable the eCVT is as I have researched it extensively prior to accepting delivery on my Hybrid. I am convinced it is a much more reliable technology. There are hundreds, if not thousands of taxis in many major cities with very high mileage with eCVT transmissions (Prius), so it's not guessing, its real life. The transmission in my previous GM SUV crapped out just as my warranty ended (known issue with the 3, 5, R wave plate). Shrapnel was thrown all over inside and it cost about $5,000 to fix it... Just after it happened GM stepped up and extended the warranty for this deficiency and although they thought the amount of damage was too extensive (I was accelerating hard to merge onto the freeway when I crapped out) GM paid for 1/2 of the repair so it cost me $2500 - 10 years ago.

LOL so your representing just from your experience. Which is not a normal or average experience.

On another note I am not laughing for what you experienced. I do not enjoy hearing of horror stories. I am very sympathetic for you and others that may have experienced it. I highly advise looking into if others may have the same scenario, it well could be from a defective design or part. As long as it's after they filed bankruptcy GM would be liable from what I understand. Unfortunately for those lawsuits prior to filing bankruptcy I heard GM is off the hook. Not sure if this information is true or not. CVT came about because cheaper to manufacturer and usually it increases gas mileage. The ECVT from what I have gathered just increases the functionality but does not increase longevity. I guess we agree to disagree and sorry you went through that nightmare.

Here is another article, unfortunately it suggests the CVT are more expensive to repair.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31517125/cvt-transmission-vs-automatic-quick-guide/

 

[Gonzo chris]

LOL so your representing just from your experience. Which is not a normal or average experience.

On another note I am not laughing for what you experienced. I do not enjoy hearing of horror stories. I am very sympathetic for you and others that may have experienced it. I highly advise looking into if others may have the same scenario, it well could be from a defective design or part. As long as it's after they filed bankruptcy GM would be liable from what I understand. Unfortunately for those lawsuits prior to filing bankruptcy I heard GM is off the hook. Not sure if this information is true or not. CVT came about because cheaper to manufacturer and usually it increases gas mileage. The ECVT from what I have gathered just increases the functionality but does not increase longevity. I guess we agree to disagree and sorry you went through that nightmare.

Here is another article, unfortunately it suggests the CVT are more expensive to repair.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31517125/cvt-transmission-vs-automatic-quick-guide/

Again I think it has more to do with the individual design etc. Maybe it's a GM thing but a guy I work with his GMC has maybe 50,000 miles on it and the transmission ate itself. Toyota uses them and I know a mechanic who inspects my older car and he drives a Prius and he says it's the most dependable vehicle he's come across and he recommends them to everybody. So I don't think again it is the technology that's like saying engines are unreliable because the pinto was a sled or the Vega used to shoot spark plugs out of the head or whatever it did

 

[Gonzo chris]

LOL so your representing just from your experience. Which is not a normal or average experience.

On another note I am not laughing for what you experienced. I do not enjoy hearing of horror stories. I am very sympathetic for you and others that may have experienced it. I highly advise looking into if others may have the same scenario, it well could be from a defective design or part. As long as it's after they filed bankruptcy GM would be liable from what I understand. Unfortunately for those lawsuits prior to filing bankruptcy I heard GM is off the hook. Not sure if this information is true or not. CVT came about because cheaper to manufacturer and usually it increases gas mileage. The ECVT from what I have gathered just increases the functionality but does not increase longevity. I guess we agree to disagree and sorry you went through that nightmare.

Here is another article, unfortunately it suggests the CVT are more expensive to repair.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31517125/cvt-transmission-vs-automatic-quick-guide/

You seem like a decent guy but it also seems like you're just hunting and picking around to attack a technology that you don't like likely because it's new and you're probably older. I understand nostalgia I get it I usually try to relegate it to music and movies though and family memories. It's like if I went through the internet and pick that every s***** gas engine design over the last hundred years and said that proves the technology is no good. Also it doesn't look to me like there's anything inherent in the design of the ecbt that would make it less dependable, if anything it has about 1/3 of the moving parts, it's just down to the design.

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