Hit by the Maverick Curse!

[jerrisn]

While driving my 2023 XLT hybrid on a road trip, I noticed a message from the FordPass app on my phone indicating a check engine alert. I checked the dashboard, and sure enough, the check engine light was on. I had just passed 20,000 miles earlier today, and the alert appeared around 20,200 miles. This is the first issue I've had since I bought it last June, not even a year ago. I'll have to wait until Monday to schedule a service appointment at the dealer. Is it safe to drive in the meantime? What has everyone else's experience been? I know this is a common issue.

*****UPDATE 6/23/2024*****

After reading the codes, this is the same error reported in the 23P18 CSP. Go figure.

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[OB1e]

Might as well ask before someone else does, did you do any of the recalls?

 

[jerrisn]

Might as well ask before someone else does, did you do any of the recalls?

Yes, check out my update on my other post from 6/1/24

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...luxury-diy-instructions-updated-6-1-24.38227/

Here is what I noted:

I wanted to provide an update on my 2023 XLT Hybrid. The vehicle had three open recalls and one customer satisfaction update that Ford was not notifying owners about. The dealership offered mobile service to come to my home, which is over 40 miles away, to perform the updates. The recalls were:

• 23C41 (Turn Signal Outage Detection Failure)
• 24S27 (The Body Control Module (BCM) was improperly calibrated and may falsely detect a current overload on one or both taillamp circuits, potentially causing one or both rear taillamps to stop functioning during a drive cycle)
• 24C01 (The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) may not properly illuminate warning lights or gauges)

Additionally, there was a customer satisfaction update: 23P18 (Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Reprogramming).

I opted to perform the first three recalls but decided against 23P18 due to reports of louder engines, poor fuel economy, and concerns that it might be related to random power outages at high speeds. The dealer was fine with this decision.

 

[Uncle Fatso]

This notification reads like a scam email:

 

[Gamma500]

It’s always gut wrenching when the CEL illuminates. I’ve experienced many of them on various vehicles from various manufacturers. A Dodge Charger of mine loved the EVAP warning. Turned out a weak spring would occasionally not allow the fuel filler seal to seat properly. I’d kill the code, play with filler seat with my finger and code wouldn’t appear again for months. Had a crank shaft position code once. You don’t need a red light to tell you that on a HEMI. Valves popping through your hood is usually a good indicator. Turns out the sensor needed replacing.

Modern vehicles are loaded with sensors and ironically it’s usually the sensor that fails. We will soon have sensors that detect failed sensors.

My hope is your issue is some asinine computer BS and not a serious problem.

Keep us posted please.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Yes, check out my update on my other post from 6/1/24

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...luxury-diy-instructions-updated-6-1-24.38227/

Here is what I noted:

I wanted to provide an update on my 2023 XLT Hybrid. The vehicle had three open recalls and one customer satisfaction update that Ford was not notifying owners about. The dealership offered mobile service to come to my home, which is over 40 miles away, to perform the updates. The recalls were:

• 23C41 (Turn Signal Outage Detection Failure)
• 24S27 (The Body Control Module (BCM) was improperly calibrated and may falsely detect a current overload on one or both taillamp circuits, potentially causing one or both rear taillamps to stop functioning during a drive cycle)
• 24C01 (The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) may not properly illuminate warning lights or gauges)

Additionally, there was a customer satisfaction update: 23P18 (Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Reprogramming).

I opted to perform the first three recalls but decided against 23P18 due to reports of louder engines, poor fuel economy, and concerns that it might be related to random power outages at high speeds. The dealer was fine with this decision.

I have no idea if true but someone posted that if two updates both could update the same module then that module would contain the updated version of the most recent update. Then if true you possibly might receive a portion of the unapplied update???? I think that would not be true unless either all updates were applied entirely but would then require that all updates would have to be done in date released sequence. Ford could never control that....

 

[CurtisB]

If your recalls were done prior to Mid-April, that may be the problem. Ford discovered one of the recalls (either 23P18 or 24S24) was not good. It was caught and changed the latter part of March. The updated recall seemed to fix the stalling issue.

 

[jerrisn]

It’s always gut wrenching when the CEL illuminates. I’ve experienced many of them on various vehicles from various manufacturers. A Dodge Charger of mine loved the EVAP warning. Turned out a weak spring would occasionally not allow the fuel filler seal to seat properly. I’d kill the code, play with filler seat with my finger and code wouldn’t appear again for months. Had a crank shaft position code once. You don’t need a red light to tell you that on a HEMI. Valves popping through your hood is usually a good indicator. Turns out the sensor needed replacing.

Modern vehicles are loaded with sensors and ironically it’s usually the sensor that fails. We will soon have sensors that detect failed sensors.

My hope is your issue is some asinine computer BS and not a serious problem.

Keep us posted please.

Yes, I'll be calling the dealer tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm going to check the dipsticks, oil caps, gas tank, and anything else that might allow air to enter where it shouldn't. I did refuel yesterday, but the error didn't occur until over 100 miles later. There might be a delay, but perhaps opening and closing the fuel door could trigger something.

 

[jerrisn]

If your recalls were done prior to Mid-April, that may be the problem. Ford discovered one of the recalls (either 23P18 or 24S24) was not good. It was caught and changed the latter part of March. The updated recall seemed to fix the stalling issue.

They were completed on 6/1 through Ford's mobile service. I've had the vehicle since 6/28/23 and haven't had any issues until now. I held off on 23P18 and 24S24 did not apply to mine, so neither were done.

 

[jerrisn]

I have no idea if true but someone posted that if two updates both could update the same module then that module would contain the updated version of the most recent update. Then if true you possibly might receive a portion of the unapplied update???? I think that would not be true unless either all updates were applied entirely but would then require that all updates would have to be done in date released sequence. Ford could never control that....

The update I skipped (23P18) was a Customer Satisfaction Update and wasn't listed as a recall for my VIN. The dealer informed me about it and initially wanted to perform it, but after reviewing the information and forums, I decided to skip it, and they were fine with that. According to the dealer, it's still optional and available for free until about 80k miles. I guess it's possible that Ford's updates are flawed, but hopefully, they get this sorted out. Thankfully, I did purchase the Ford ESP 8yrs/100k, so I might end up using it.

 

[EONR24]

@jerrisn what DTC code or codes are present when you scan it with forscan or an obd2 scanner? If you're taking it to the dealer I would not clear the codes but you can definitely check them to see what they are.

 

[Darnon]

It's likely erroneous. There's a TSB 23-2193 to reprogram the PCM.

Some 2023 Maverick vehicles built on or before 11-Apr-2023 and equipped with a 2.5L full hybrid electric vehicle (FHEV) powertrain may exhibit an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P2282 [Air Leak Exists Between Throttle Body and Intake Valves]. This may be due to the software in the powertrain control module (PCM). To correct this condition, follow the Service Procedure to reprogram various modules starting with the PCM.

Edit: Ironically the 23P18 CSP you skipped also would have addressed it proactively.

Certain 2023 Model Year Maverick Vehicles Equipped with a 2.5L Duratec – Hybrid Engine Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Reprogramming

AFFECTED VEHICLES
Maverick 2023 Hermosillo April 11, 2023 through August 23, 2023
US population of affected vehicles: 18,063.

REASON FOR THIS PROGRAM
In the affected vehicles, Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) P2282 – Air Leak Between Throttle Body and Intake Valves may be inadvertently set, potentially causing the check engine light to illuminate during normal driving conditions while the vehicle is in motion.

 

[Gamma500]

Good strategy. May be a $0.12 O-ring ($5.00 Ford).

Best of luck my friend. You’ve got warranty. Make them honour it!

 

[Jaackil]

While driving my 2023 XLT hybrid on a road trip, I noticed a message from the FordPass app on my phone indicating a check engine alert. I checked the dashboard, and sure enough, the check engine light was on. I had just passed 20,000 miles earlier today, and the alert appeared around 20,200 miles. This is the first issue I've had since I bought it last June, not even a year ago. I'll have to wait until Monday to schedule a service appointment at the dealer. Is it safe to drive in the meantime? What has everyone else's experience been? I know this is a common issue.

In general it’s probably safe to drive if it’s just a solid check engine light. Unless there is something else going on like running rough, strange noises, loss of power, etc. but if it is performing as usual it is safe to continue driving. I would not drive long distances or a lot obviously. But I would also get it to a mechanic as soon as you can. The most common causes of a check engine light are faulty sensor, something causing a bad O2 fuel mixture. A misfire of one of the plugs/coils or the gas cap not properly sealed.
If the check engine light is flashing that is much more serious. Pull over as soon as safe and turn the engine off.

 

[jerrisn]

It's likely erroneous. There's a TSB 23-2193 to reprogram the PCM.



Edit: Ironically the 23P18 CSP you skipped also would have addressed it proactively.

The the 23P18 CSP I skipped also has been reported to cause poor fuel economy and a louder engine according to this forum and others which is why I skipped it. It also does not show up as a recall and only the dealer said it was available.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...ontrol-module-pcm-reprogramming-recall.42581/

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