Why don't Hybrids get more love?

[Old Ford Guy]

i think most of us agree that the goal is/ should be to reduce Fossil Fuel dependency/emissions by as much as possible as soon as possible right? and i think it must be done sooner, not later . but that shouldnt mean destroying civilization as we know it.
i believe that Hybrids such as our Mav's should & could play a MUCH greater role in this ongoing transition.

with all due respect to my Ecoboost and 'pure' ICE' devotee's i submit to you that our Mav hybrid system makes far more sense for most people. my Mav hybrid has excellent off the line and highway merging performance and is very well appointed for a vehicle in this price range to boot.
i have gone from filling up the tank once a week to once a month, of course your mileage and experience will vary from mine but that is not nothing.
there are not many folks out there that don't like the idea of perhaps doubling their MPG or more while also getting so much value for the $$.

while and until we build out the necessary infrastructure for a mostly electric fleet such as better batteries & more plentiful, and more efficient charging options and better used electric batt recycling options and so forth to support the coming transition to a mostly electric passenger and over the road trucking vehicle fleet it sure seems to me that BHEV's should be the next step to get us there.

one more thing. the US. Census bureau reports that 40% of Americans do NOT have regular access to recharging options for a plug in electric vehicle or plug in hybrid vehicle at home or at work, thats a problem for a lot more people than you may think.
where are these folks supposed to recharge these darn things?
even if you got a electric car or truck with a 300 mile per charge range you WILL eventually have t0 recharge the batt at some point. where are you supposed to recharge the darn thing if you're one of those many folks that don't have access to reasonable recharge options? ....answer....get yourself a Maverick Hybrid and help save the planet while also owning one of the best small pickups for sale anywhere

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[TrailMaster]

They currently don't make an AWD hybrid, and because of the extreme cold where I live I am concerned about the batteries freezing up. If a FWD hybrid fits your bill, by all means snatch one up and save some gas money.

 

[Montauk]

II think it’s a combination of knowledge, use-case, and regional mentality.

Initially I thought the only reason to consider a maverick was because there was a hybrid. I’ve wanted a hybrid for ages but couldn’t come to terms with having a Prius because of the occasional lawnmower transport or small utility trailer pulling.

I thought there was no point to buying an eco boost version because there was the ranger.

Thing is, the design has efficiency baked in, considering weight and aerodynamics. Those benefits are gained even in the eco boost version, and if a buyer is going to be mostly highway commuting their carbon footprint will be nearly the same as a hybrid model.

And yea, there isn’t a comparable truck out there that competes with a 4wd eco boost maverick as far as sticker price. We’re all lucky enough to have choices and I’m glad to say I haven’t seen any hybrid-hate in quite a while.

 

[Dignam]

I think ultimately that's where we will hopefully go; more hybrids/plug-in hybrids. EVs are not the answer for at least the near or mid term though. I went with the EB for the obvious reasons: more tow capacity and AWD. Also the bulk of my miles are highway where the MPG difference isn't that big vs. the hybrid (I got 33.8 on my last trip; pic in another thread). I also wanted an engine and transmission that have been proven in several other applications over the years.

There is still definitely a place for small, efficient ICE-only vehicles for the time being.

 

[Mikeetch]

i think most of us agree that the goal is/ should be to reduce Fossil Fuel dependency/emissions by as much as possible as soon as possible right? and i think it must be done sooner, not later . but that shouldnt mean destroying civilization as we know it.
i believe that Hybrids such as our Mav's should & could play a MUCH greater role in this ongoing transition.

with all due respect to my Ecoboost and 'pure' ICE' devotee's i submit to you that our Mav hybrid system makes far more sense for most people. my Mav hybrid has excellent off the line and highway merging performance and is very well appointed for a vehicle in this price range to boot.
i have gone from filling up the tank once a week to once a month, of course your mileage and experience will vary from mine but that is not nothing.
there are not many folks out there that don't like the idea of perhaps doubling their MPG or more while also getting so much value for the $$.

while and until we build out the necessary infrastructure for a mostly electric fleet such as better batteries & more plentiful, and more efficient charging options and better used electric batt recycling options and so forth to support the coming transition to a mostly electric passenger and over the road trucking vehicle fleet it sure seems to me that BHEV's should be the next step to get us there.

one more thing. the US. Census bureau reports that 40% of Americans do NOT have regular access to recharging options for a plug in electric vehicle or plug in hybrid vehicle at home or at work, thats a problem for a lot more people than you may think.
where are these folks supposed to recharge these darn things?
even if you got a electric car or truck with a 300 mile per charge range you WILL eventually have t0 recharge the batt at some point. where are you supposed to recharge the darn thing if you're one of those many folks that don't have access to reasonable recharge options? ....answer....get yourself a Maverick Hybrid and help save the planet while also owning one of the best small pickups for sale anywhere

Your thoughts echo the Toyota study stating hybrids would be more beneficial(at least short term) for reducing carbon emissions. Can't find the original article but this sums it up https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-says-selling-full-electric-vehicles-is-less-eco-friendly

To be honest I only bought a hybrid for selfish reasons, saving money on gas. I'm not worried about "carbon footprints"

 

[Clarkdonbran]

All of you are being far too mature and reasonable. This is the MTC, that crap doesn’t belong here!

 

[mspmms]

Why don't Hybrids get more love?

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[commadorebob]

100% it is because the Maverick is a truck.

Back in the mid 2010s, there was a study on hybrid purchases. Despite nearly every brand selling hybrids (or with Toyota, multiple), far and away the best selling hybrid was the Prius. Why? Because it looks like a hybrid. This despite even Toyota selling other hybrids that got roughly the same mileage.

In our culture, your vehicle is seen as a status symbol. The Prius screams "I care about the environment" while the Fusion Hybrid didn't. Even modern EVs scream "I have an EV" compared to extremely efficient Plug-In Hybrids which are likely even better for you because you get the benefits of EV in 90% of your driving while having the range of ICE for long-term trips.

Honestly, I think more people would buy EVs or PHEVs if they didn't look any different from the ICE model. Some of us are not opposed to the concept of EVs but simply don't want the attention it brings.

 

[Skyline]

In August, 2021 Ford opened the order banks for the Ford Lightening and I wanted one. After ordering one, I've researched the EV and charging availability in my town. That didn't look good, nor do I have garage where it could had been charged.

I cancelled the EV in January, 2022 and ordered a Maverick hybrid. Again, after researching and noticing issues with the hybrid, I've cancelled the order in September, 2022 and ordered an EB 2.0 Maverick.

Yes, I've should've done my research prior to ordering vehicles, agreed...

The OP is not wrong about the hybrid, I'll probably sell the Maverick next year and get a hybrid pickup truck. It's just not going to be from Ford...

 

[40caliber]

No

 

[Mav_RICK]

I bought my hybrid Maverick because I like the styling, it's a economical utility vehicle, and fits in my garage.
My carbon foot print did not factor in at all. If there was no hybrid Maverick I would have not hesitated one second to buy a Maverick EB.

 

[ejouie]

-AWD (FX4 too)
-Hybrid
-5K towing (and appropriate GCWR)
-5k Pro power onboard (like what Plugout does for the Prius)

and you have the ultimate compact truck.

 

[Art Vandelay]

In our culture, your vehicle is seen as a status symbol. The Prius screams "I care about the environment" while the Fusion Hybrid didn't. Even modern EVs scream "I have an EV" compared to extremely efficient Plug-In Hybrids which are likely even better for you because you get the benefits of EV in 90% of your driving while having the range of ICE for long-term trips.

Honestly, I think more people would buy EVs or PHEVs if they didn't look any different from the ICE model. Some of us are not opposed to the concept of EVs but simply don't want the attention it brings.

That tide has turned in the past 5 years or so. New 2023 and 2024 Hybrids look the same as their ICE counterparts. Some examples:
Honda Accord Hybrid
Toyota Camry Hybrid
Hyundai Sonata Hybrid
Honda CRV Hybrid
Toyota Rav4 Hybrid
Ford Escape Hybrid
Toyota Highlander Hybrid
Toyota Sienna Hybrid
etc

For the most part the outlier in hybrids now as far as design is the Prius and that has also mostly morphed into a normal looking sedan.

I think the bigger issue currently in Hybrid sales is the extra cost. When the Maverick was announced two years ago everyone was surprised that the Hybrid was actually the base engine. There was no other vehicle for sale at the time that had an ICE counterpart where the Hybrid powertrain was actually less money than the ICE version. Ford has I guess realized that wasn't sustainable or profitable at this time and the Hybrid Maverick is now an upcharge. So now consumers have to decide how long it will take them to see actual gas savings to offset the higher cost of the hybrid.

 

[Art Vandelay]

i think most of us agree that the goal is/ should be to reduce Fossil Fuel dependency/emissions by as much as possible as soon as possible right? and i think it must be done sooner, not later . but that shouldnt mean destroying civilization as we know it.
i believe that Hybrids such as our Mav's should & could play a MUCH greater role in this ongoing transition.

I don't know why you believe Hybrids aren't getting any love. Last year around this time it was reported that in the 6 day window that Maverick order books were open a large majority of trucks ordered were the Hybrid version. And news reports just this month are saying that Hybrids sales are booming and are expected to triple in the next 5 years.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/08/hybrid-sales-in-the-us-expected-to-triple-by-2028/

https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/farley-says-ford-hybrid-sales-expected-to-significantly-grow/

I do agree with you that Hybrids do see like a more sensible transition than just discontinuing ICE vehicles and immediately going fully electric. Our country does not yet have the infrastructure for all electric vehicles.

 

[MaveRichard]

I honestly don’t think they could get more love.

Aside from this forum, every hybrid owner I have met IN REAL LIFE is in love with their vehicle for a variety of reasons that we already understand.

The main obstacle for mainstream adoption is price and production numbers. We are watching this change in real time.

Capability x Efficiency

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