Pennzoil platinum full synthetic vs mobil 1 advanced full synthetic oil in 2.0 ecoboost engine

[tamamade]

I've always used mobil 1 with satisfying results in the past. My last vehicle surpassed 300k before I traded it in.
Now I'm seeing Pennzoil has this made from natural gas hype. Supposedly you get more uniform oil molecules if you make it from natural gas.
Will this work better? Pennzoil has a 500k guarantee which seems to be very enticing.
So if my engine doesn't last 500k I can file a claim with them if I can prove I only used their oil for oil changes(all the receipts etc)?
What if my turbo fails? I guess the turbo will probably need some repair/replacement around 200k.
Any inputs?

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[NJBob]

I had a 2011 F150 3.5 ecoboost. First year of that engine. Over at the F150 forums they recomened penzoil due to its lower voltatilit supposedly less blowby.. Took my Mav for the first oil change and the dealer talked me out of synthetic. Not sure why they would do that. Due for the second soon. Have not decided which way to go.

 

[fossil]

a comparison

https://mycarmakesnoise.com/oil/pennzoil-platinum-vs-mobil-1/

 

[NoVaJimmy]

I believe the Pennzoil still does not meet Ford's latest certification requirements. People scoff at this but it's there for a reason, mostly for minimizing low speed preignition and also for better wear on timing chain guides, both of which have been problems with Ecoboost engines. The fact that Pennzoil has to my knowledge still not been able to meet these Ford requirements says a lot.

 

[BoboysTruck]

Your engine could fail in so many ways and the burden of proof is on you to show that the oil caused it
I used Mobil 1 in my Toyota that my Mav replaced. It had 465k miles on it and it was still running smooth except it developed a head gasket problem. I changed oil and filter every 12k miles after the warranty ran out. Around the 350k mile range, I changed the valve cover gaskets. It was clean under that valve cover. No gunk build up. I will stick with Mobil 1.

 

[jsus]

I believe the Pennzoil still does not meet Ford's latest certification requirements. People scoff at this but it's there for a reason, mostly for minimizing low speed preignition and also for better wear on timing chain guides, both of which have been problems with Ecoboost engines. The fact that Pennzoil has to my knowledge still not been able to meet these Ford requirements says a lot.

Except they report that they do meet the current 961/962 specs.

5w-30 - 2.0L EB

https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/258dde47-b6ac-4f43-a960-5224b7ee00be.pdf

0w-20 - 2.5L FHEV

https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/2e937649-ef26-473a-b37c-9dfb01188a94.pdf

 

[GPSMan]

I had a 2011 F150 3.5 ecoboost. First year of that engine. Over at the F150 forums they recomened penzoil due to its lower voltatilit supposedly less blowby.. Took my Mav for the first oil change and the dealer talked me out of synthetic. Not sure why they would do that. Due for the second soon. Have not decided which way to go.

I have the Hybrid.
My dealer also "recommended" blended oil.
Probably highest profit margin.
Probably what they do greatest volume of sales with.

I insisted on Full Synthetic.
Hope they followed through.
Used Ford points to get it "free".
But they charged extra points.

After about 10,000 miles of use:

 

[710-oil-614]

I believe the Pennzoil still does not meet Ford's latest certification requirements. People scoff at this but it's there for a reason, mostly for minimizing low speed preignition and also for better wear on timing chain guides, both of which have been problems with Ecoboost engines. The fact that Pennzoil has to my knowledge still not been able to meet these Ford requirements says a lot.

I know we've discussed awhile back - but what oil do you recommend for the 2.0 EB?

I used Mobil 1 full synthetic for my first oil change at 1k miles because they were out of Royal Purple 5w30.

I plan to run Royal Purple but I know you're tuned into the EB and would highly consider your recommendation and input.

 

[surfstar]

My tried and tried method: buy whatever meets specs and is cheaper. Utilize sales and rebates and stock up when synthetic oil costs less than Walmart "dino"

 

[A.Bursell]

I believe the Pennzoil still does not meet Ford's latest certification requirements. People scoff at this but it's there for a reason, mostly for minimizing low speed preignition and also for better wear on timing chain guides, both of which have been problems with Ecoboost engines. The fact that Pennzoil has to my knowledge still not been able to meet these Ford requirements says a lot.

Not having the certification and not meeting the specs are different things. To have the certification, you have to invest a lot of money and time in paying for someone's labwork and legwork to get it. That's why you will often see an oil like Mobil-1 that is certified in 5w30 but not 5w40 or similar. It's not because the oil isn't good enough. It's that it takes a lot of time and money, so the oil company has decided to just submit to certification for what is the most common use case. Likewise, other companies like Amsoil, do their own testing and are not technically certified in a lot of specs -- but they are very upfront about meeting or exceeding them.

I wouldn't be afraid to run either of these oils, or probably any modern synthetic. The chances of an engine having a oil-related problem are probably so minimal it's not even worth worrying about. Plenty of people use Supertech or Kirkland branded oils and never have issues -- using a brand-name, high-end synthetic is almost like a guarantee. In fact, that's probably why Pennzoil offers a guarantee!

 

[Montana]

I believe the Pennzoil still does not meet Ford's latest certification requirements. People scoff at this but it's there for a reason, mostly for minimizing low speed preignition and also for better wear on timing chain guides, both of which have been problems with Ecoboost engines. The fact that Pennzoil has to my knowledge still not been able to meet these Ford requirements says a lot.

Pennzoil ultra platinum is what I use and it meets all the requirements.

Not paying for the certification is not synonymous with not meeting requirements. For example, the ultra platinum I use is not Dexos certified but it meets/exceeds the requirements for it.

After about 10,000 miles of use:

Congrats. Your dipstick has oil on it...

Anyone's guess what kind though...

 

[RichardCranium]

I have always had good luck with mobil 1. That is what we used in the race car engines. I have been running the mobile 1 extended performance 15,000 or the Castrol syntec 20,000 mile oil in my Cruze and only change the oil every 15,000 to 20,000 miles (obviously after the warranty was up) it is a good idea to change your filter more often though.

 

[RedRider]

I have the Hybrid.
My dealer also "recommended" blended oil.
Probably highest profit margin.
Probably what they do greatest volume of sales with.

I insisted on Full Synthetic.
Hope they followed through.
Used Ford points to get it "free".
But they charged extra points.

After about 10,000 miles of use:

Your dealer is an idiot. Stay away from that dealership. The hybrid specifies only synthetic 0w20 and not blended oil or 5w20 that you can use in the EB.

 

[NoVaJimmy]

Not having the certification and not meeting the specs are different things. To have the certification, you have to invest a lot of money and time in paying for someone's labwork and legwork to get it. That's why you will often see an oil like Mobil-1 that is certified in 5w30 but not 5w40 or similar. It's not because the oil isn't good enough. It's that it takes a lot of time and money, so the oil company has decided to just submit to certification for what is the most common use case. Likewise, other companies like Amsoil, do their own testing and are not technically certified in a lot of specs -- but they are very upfront about meeting or exceeding them.

I wouldn't be afraid to run either of these oils, or probably any modern synthetic. The chances of an engine having a oil-related problem are probably so minimal it's not even worth worrying about. Plenty of people use Supertech or Kirkland branded oils and never have issues -- using a brand-name, high-end synthetic is almost like a guarantee. In fact, that's probably why Pennzoil offers a guarantee!

This is all anecdotal. For peace of mind and knowing that it meets the spec why not just use a very good oil that is actually certified, aka Castrol edge. What are you going to save using something else? A few dollars per oil change? It blows my mind that people would use an oil that they assume meets spec just to save a few dollars. Engine replacement due to carbon locked oil control rings is expensive. Timing chain guide replacement is expensive. Do what you want I guess....

 

[GPSMan]

This is all anecdotal. For peace of mind and knowing that it meets the spec why not just use a very good oil that is actually certified, aka Castrol edge. What are you going to save using something else? A few dollars per oil change? It blows my mind that people would use an oil that they assume meets spec just to save a few dollars. Engine replacement due to carbon locked oil control rings is expensive. Timing chain guide replacement is expensive. Do what you want I guess....

I've never had an engine fail in my lifetime and I'm pretty old so that's about 1.5 million miles.

No one in my family has ever had an engine fail so that's about 5 million miles.

No one in my close circle of friends has ever had an engine fail, so that, 15 million miles.

It's always ancillary equipment that fails. Water pumps. Steering pumps. Alternators. Thermostats. Air conditioners. Power windows.

Goes to show, as long as you use oil, exact name/brand of oil really does not matter much at all. It's not as technical as most people think.

Changing it at regular intervals and keeping it at proper level is 100x more significant than brand of oil.

Conversely, one mis-step, running a short distance with low or no oil will undue years of pristine maintenance.

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