Truth about Hybrid Maverick orders - not delayed says Maverick team

[MJRI]

I was told that late October, most likely November and possibly December are when I can expect my hybrid XL. Is that still a reasonable time frame given what you know?

Thanks.

The Ford tells December. Let's cross our fingers.

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[FloodingdowninTX]

At this point, I'm ok with waiting. I have been having issues with my Jeep transmission, replaced the slave, master and still issues. Found out this morning that it needs a complete rebuild. There goes the money I currently have saved for a down.

Listen, I hope you go to the front of the hybrid line brother. I can wait for mine.

 

[Didj]

I mean, I have considered it myself.

Yeah, I’m not even getting my Maverick from them and I am really considering it. I look forward to Tech Tuesdays and all of the Maverick news.

 

[MarcVelovious]

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15388892/the-truth-about-epa-city-highway-mpg-estimates

Two-thirds of the new vehicles the EPA does test are selected randomly

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/testing-national-vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-laboratory

Certification Emission Testing

All new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. must be certified to meet federal emission standards, such as limits on the amount of smog-forming and greenhouse gas emissions that they can produce. Most testing is performed by auto manufacturers at their own facilities. EPA then audits the data and performs its own testing on some of the vehicles to confirm the manufacturers' results.

Fuel Economy Testing

EPA is also responsible for providing fuel economy data for the fuel economy label (or window sticker) that you see on all new cars and light trucks, and for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program.

As with emissions testing, data is derived from vehicle testing done at NVFEL and by vehicle manufacturers who submit their own test data to EPA for verification.

The Maverick being the first mass produced Hybrid Truck I can see that the EPA would do their own testing.

I've said the same thing many times. Usually the response is "It's the Gobernment EPA" with a mix of Joe Biden for dash of spice.

 

[tonyinsd]

I would like an answer to my legitimate question: how much later would it be before Ford would consider labeling orders "delayed" ? Not ragging, seeking information.

It's still fall, correct? If they deliver even one truck between now and December 22, then it's not delayed.

They said first deliveries in fall 2021.

That may not be the answer you want to hear but it's the truth.

 

[tonyinsd]

I heard from a friend, who's cousin in Mexico is dating a girl who does overnight custodial work at the Hermasillo plant that she came across an employee memo in the trash that stated the hybrid maverick epa numbers were delayed because somebody spilled cafe con leche on the computer during testing and they had to bring in a new machine to retest again because nobody could believe the original results of 55/45/50, city highway combined.
#confirmed #legit #2legit2quit

 

[2cafn8d]

Listen, I hope you go to the front of the hybrid line brother. I can wait for mine.

Thank you! I can wait, I'm driving the other Jeep (Yes, we have 2 Jurassic Park Jeeps and an Explorer lol). There are people out there that don't have a spare car and their current is on it's last leg. I want them to get theirs first.

 

[Red Ryder]

It's still fall, correct? If they deliver even one truck between now and December 22, then it's not delayed.

They said first deliveries in fall 2021.

That may not be the answer you want to hear but it's the truth.

Two (deliveries is plural).

 

[rknrbt]

Has anyone who ordered a hybrid taken delivery of their Maverick?

 

[stoptothink]

Has anyone who ordered a hybrid taken delivery of their Maverick?

No

 

[SgtLip]

Wow... can't we agree on some middle ground? Maybe at least to agree to disagree?

The Maverick isn't delayed, they are shipping (just not the Hybrid yet)
The Hybrid is delayed if only for shipping due to waiting for the EPA and Ok to buy

The whole start shipping in Fall and dates is nitpicking. I wish I knew when the EPA approval would come but I don't think there is any reason for Ford to prioritize Hybrids which will end up sitting when they could produce trucks they can ship. Don't get me wrong, I am waiting for my ordered Hybrid but since I can't get it before it's been approved to buy/sell, there is no Rush for it to be built.

Agree somewhat. My personal opinion is the Hybrid is the BASE Model. If you can't ship the BASE Model within the timeframe YOU (not you personally, but you Ford) established, you FAILED. End of my opinion. Please make sure you have all personal belongings when departing the ride.

 

[SgtLip]

Hell I even get spooked once in awhile on this site. And If anyone quotes me, Quote everything I said. I don't like being misrepresented. Thank you!

Should it be misrepresented or misquoted?

 

[SgtLip]

Are they honestly just waiting for EPA testing or is there another issue? Have any of our friends in the Great White North seen any hybrids yet? I doubt Canada depends on the bureaucrats in the US EPA for its MPG/emissions standards.

Good question, who knows? Ford won't say.

For all we know, EPA is pissed because they aren't putting Nitrogen in the tires.

 

[SgtLip]

The Ford tells December. Let's cross our fingers.

There are a lot of Hybrid orders that haven't been Scheduled. That's a LOT of Hybrids that will need to be Scheduled pretty soon if they are going to deliver June and July orders. I drew an arbitrary line but I'm not sure where you really draw the line though. They didn't say only one will be delivered (like some of you have mentioned). They didn't say all will be delivered in the fall of 2021. So where is the cut off? What is realistic? It's not my fault Ford screwed the pooch and didn't plan for more Hybrids than EB's. It's not my fault Ford can't get their crap together and get the eCVT's built. It's not my fault Ford can't get their design certified by EPA. So where does the line get drawn and by whom?

 

[brnpttmn]

Yup. But I'm assuming you've misunderstood the math here.

Of 3 cars in the EPA lab, 2 were selected by the roll of dice, and 1 was picked by a federal employee, for undisclosed reasons -- like the Porsche in that article.

That Car & Driver article is NOT saying that 66% of all new models are directly tested by the EPA. The article restates the public's misperception: "While the public mistakenly presumes that this federal agency is hard at work conducting complicated tests on every new model of truck, van, car, and SUV, in reality, ..." no.

Sorry. The odds are that this is Ford seeing something amiss in their own dyno lab while running EPA spec testing and blaming the EPA lab.

Because the EPA can basically select any new vehicle they want to test (even if it's only 1 out every 18 new cars), we're not able to figure out the odds that the Maverick was selected. All we know is, as Tim said, "EPA testing" is the reason for the delayed shipping. That sure sounds like the Maverick had been selected for confirmatory EPA testing.

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