Truth about Hybrid Maverick orders - not delayed says Maverick team

[brnpttmn]

The EPA dyno lab has NEVER directly tested every new vehicle on the road.

The assumption is that the hybrid was selected for confirmatory testing by the EPA, or it would have been released with the EB.

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[Darnon]

Or for some reason the EPA is scrutinizing the data or otherwise being slow to validate it.

 

[vap0rtranz]

Two-thirds of the new vehicles the EPA does test are selected randomly

Yup. But I'm assuming you've misunderstood the math here.

Of 3 cars in the EPA lab, 2 were selected by the roll of dice, and 1 was picked by a federal employee, for undisclosed reasons -- like the Porsche in that article.

That Car & Driver article is NOT saying that 66% of all new models are directly tested by the EPA. The article restates the public's misperception: "While the public mistakenly presumes that this federal agency is hard at work conducting complicated tests on every new model of truck, van, car, and SUV, in reality, ..." no.

Sorry. The odds are that this is Ford seeing something amiss in their own dyno lab while running EPA spec testing and blaming the EPA lab.

 

[2cafn8d]

At this point, I'm ok with waiting. I have been having issues with my Jeep transmission, replaced the slave, master and still issues. Found out this morning that it needs a complete rebuild. There goes the money I currently have saved for a down.

 

[rclee]

That's good info. I only know a guy who knows a guy who swears it's true.

Good to get some hard data...

If it was on the internet it must be true, right?

 

[FloodingdowninTX]

Nah, I don’t buy it. I still think leprechauns stole the EPA data. Ford has shady history of exploiting Leprechauns for cheap labor, their pots of gold, and their delicious marshmallow cereal. It really shouldn’t surprise anybody they stole the data. My sources told me the 2022 models won’t be delivered until January of 2024. Yeah, true story. I know a guy who swears it’s true.

… not to mention, what does the Fordvideoguy know anyway… besides, well, just about everything about Mav production.

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[olderbudwiser]

If it was on the internet it must be true, right?

Auto companies test 50k vehicles in most popular trim. Later they test 4k vehicles with different axle ratios. EPA picks and chooses what they want to validate. If they choose a 4k vehicle with a higher numerical axle ratio and it too far off. Thats a problem.

 

[Blessedintx]

I was told that late October, most likely November and possibly December are when I can expect my hybrid XL. Is that still a reasonable time frame given what you know?

Thanks.

I was told December. I ordered 9/7 so I'm not holding my breath! : )

 

[JBnorthTX]

This is misinformation.

See my previous reply.

While I would expect Ford to be at least partially at fault, it's pure speculation to attribute 100% of the blame to either Ford or the EPA.. We don't know the whole story.

 

[Jakb]

Here is some fun

In the Ecoboost EPA application (Released 9/27) they stated this MPG on the Limitus values

The test vehicle was a 2.0 Ecoboost 2020 Ford Escape
And this is the resulting MPG

Now in the Hybrid Application (Released 9/27) with test vehicle of a 2.5 hybrid Escape the numbers were this

If these numbers are right, Ford is possibly claiming 49 city and 42 highway.
The 2020 Escape has these numbers

With those numbers I can understand why the EPA might have audited Ford, especially after the C-Max fiasco in 2012 and Ranger lawsuits in 2020

 

[Jakb]

Also the EPA has certified the Maverick HEV FWD in conformity of the clean air act as of July 30th
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/datafiles/NFMXT02.52F1-023.PDF

 

[BigDinTX]

Ford: We need this hybrid tested so we can show off the MPG love we built into this bad boy!

EPA:

 

[vap0rtranz]

Also the EPA has certified the Maverick HEV FWD in conformity of the clean air act as of July 30th
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/datafiles/NFMXT02.52F1-023.PDF

Thx for confirming this. I'd not seen the official doc on that. Good to know the hold-up is not emissions.

 

[MJRI]

There have been some dealers telling their customers that hybrid vehicles are delayed and won't be available for 6-8 months. Some saying there are thermal issues.

I want everyone to know they are NOT correct.

Hybrid scheduling and production continues each week.

OKTB (okay to buy) is pending EPA testing.

Information straight from the Maverick team.

Thank you for the update.

 

[petengineer75]

They did this 5 times already with the Bronco delays heck I even got a free Hammock from them -)

I got a hammock too…..maybe I will get a maverick one to match my bronco one.

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