Toyota Is Right: We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why

[The Flush]

Toyota Is Right: We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here's Why (thedrive.com)

It comes down to this: By using its limited battery supply on a small number of (expensive) EVs, the auto industry gets plaudits from investors and the public despite implementing an inefficient decarbonization scheme. It gets to greenwash itself with a handful of flashy products, while in fact not cutting CO2 emissions nearly as much as it could. The numbers strongly suggest that hybridizing as many new cars as possible is more effective, and to increasing degrees as battery technology evolves and supplies hopefully go up. That would allow hybrids to graduate to PHEVs, before being superseded by full EVs where appropriate.

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[bbhaag]

I started to read this article then realized that the whole premise of it is based on the not so factual data that we are running out of the raw materials to build batteries.

Dude, I've been hearing my whole life that we are going to run out of oil. Even before my time "analysts" predicted we would run out of oil and guess what? They were all wrong.

Now I'm suppose to believe some article that's whole premise is based on the same 'predictions"?

 

[fossil]

I agree in part. I would like to see more performance hybrids though, on the order of Fords Power Boost. I like the added ability of powering all your home essentials in an emergency with the optional 7.2KW Pro Power, the standard 4KW would be enough for most. I do think they should have used the 2.7L though.

Like @bbhaag I don't believe the raw material situation is all that dire especially with the all the new battery tech coming out. I remember when NiCad was the latest and greatest lol.

 

[Guardian]

We are in a transition period.I am more interested in saving money than climate change. Besides I needed a truck. My friend has had a Prius since 2004 with 1 battery change. EVs are nice but not practical now not enough charging station,mechanics are probably constantly playing catchup with the new technology let alone "routine maintenance". Also I have notice pedestrians need to get used to the new silence that hybrids and EV's bring to the road/parking lot. I'm sure the bottom line all of this is money .

 

[Decayed]

I started to read this article then realized that the whole premise of it is based on the not so factual data that we are running out of the raw materials to build batteries.

Dude, I've been hearing my whole life that we are going to run out of oil. Even before my time "analysts" predicted we would run out of oil and guess what? They were all wrong.

Now I'm suppose to believe some article that's whole premise is based on the same 'predictions"?

And yet ford can't get enough batteries to meet demand for hybrids...

 

[Decayed]

I agree in part. I would like to see more performance hybrids though, on the order of Fords Power Boost. I like the added ability of powering all your home essentials in an emergency with the optional 7.2KW Pro Power, the standard 4KW would be enough for most. I do think they should have used the 2.7L though.

Like @bbhaag I don't believe the raw material situation is all that dire especially with the all the new battery tech coming out. I remember when NiCad was the latest and greatest lol.

There might be plenty of lithium but that doesn't mean we can get it. The majority is controlled by the chinese.

We couldn't transition to all EV's right now anyway. The grid can't handle it and battery tech isn't good enough yet. Hybrids are the way at this point in time. They offer the best of both worlds while reducing the strain on the oil supply, the battery supply and the grid.

 

[icegradner]

There might be plenty of lithium but that doesn't mean we can get it. The majority is controlled by the chinese.

The largest source of lithium is in south american (around 43% of the supply, China is only around 25%). You are thinking of cheap access to rare earth metals used to make the magnets for the electric motors, that are mostly in China.

 

[fossil]

There might be plenty of lithium but that doesn't mean we can get it. The majority is controlled by the chinese.

We couldn't transition to all EV's right now anyway. The grid can't handle it and battery tech isn't good enough yet. Hybrids are the way at this point in time. They offer the best of both worlds while reducing the strain on the oil supply, the battery supply and the grid.

we're not moving to all EVs right now, it's a trickle, over the next ten years, maybe. at that point I'll be looking for a nice used ICE truck
yesterday they were saying we were also short on phosphate for the current lithium phosphate batteries.
Just in the news
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Norway's new phosphate deposits are so massive they could guarantee solar power and electric cars keep running for the next 50 years
They always seem to dig up what they can make a profit on once the supposed short supply drives the price up far enough. you know that's true.

 

[bbhaag]

And yet ford can't get enough batteries to meet demand for hybrids...

Ford can't get enough batteries to meet demand for which vehicle? The Maverick? I hate to break it to you but that is by design.

They seem to have no problem getting them for the other hybrids in their fleet like the F-150, Escape, and Explorer. Not to mention their full EVs like the Mach-E and Lighting. Sorry bro but I'm not buying that argument.

 

[Tailender]

Not to be political, but the president put a moratorium or mining for minerals needed for batteries in the US. So what sense does that make if they want to go to electric vehicles? I agree we should go hybrid for now with vehicles that can and when supply and the grid catches up, they can go electric. But then again, how are they going to generate electricy needed for all the cars added to everything we have now?

 

[Montana]

hol up I need to get the popcorn started...

 

[Deleted member 14823]

we're not moving to all EVs right now, it's a trickle, over the next ten years, maybe. at that point I'll be looking for a nice used ICE truck

My thoughts exactly. I'll be driving an ICE vehicle until they're unavailable, then a hybrid until they're unavailable. After that, if they want to pick me up in a battery-powered senior mobility service vehicle for my doctor appointments then I won't care.

 

[Robert C]

How are auto companies going to make the full EVs that are being shoved down our throats by governments and the auto companies themselfs when they can't even make a relatively small supply of Hybrid Mavericks?
The Maverick's 1.1 kWh battery is 1/50th to 1/100th a full EVs battery!
The answer is Ford never wanted to sell many of these trucks.

 

[Dmthomp32]

I agree that hybrids are the logical course of action and the vast majority of vehicles should be hybrid at this point. Along with the research and development focused on creating the best and most reliable hybrid systems. Anyone who thinks everything should be transitioned to EV need only to look at California, England and others where last summer the rolling power outages led people unable to charge or being told when and how much they could charge. The grid isn’t close to being able to sustain the amount of energy for a full swap of transportation and even when it is if we don’t have fusion figured out we will be relying on energy with consequences (nuclear likely being the best option). I think we need about 15-20 years before the country could even be close to ready for all vehicles to be ready for EV.

 

[Decayed]

Ford can't get enough batteries to meet demand for which vehicle? The Maverick? I hate to break it to you but that is by design.

They seem to have no problem getting them for the other hybrids in their fleet like the F-150, Escape, and Explorer. Not to mention their full EVs like the Mach-E and Lighting. Sorry bro but I'm not buying that argument.

And why would Ford do that by design I wonder?

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