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K&N air filters for Hybrid Maverick?
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K&N vs OEM style is just like oil discussions. MOST statements are theory, lies, or requoted BS.
I have oil analysis done. That WILL tell you if dirt is getting into your engine. Fact, no dispute. I have compared the same engine before and after installing a K&N. No measurable difference between filters. I have a customer with a motorcycle that has over 400,000 miles on his engine. Never been rebuilt. K&N since first air filter change. I have never had an engine that lost ring seal or wore out valve guides in the past several decades.....
K&N makes no more power typically as newer air boxes and filters are much better designed. Cleaning a K&N too often is common.
I don't use them anymore. While they would save me money, I prefer to just install a new oem style when needed. Cleaning the damned K&N then oiling and letting that spread out properly just became more hassle than it is worth!
I have oil analysis done. That WILL tell you if dirt is getting into your engine. Fact, no dispute. I have compared the same engine before and after installing a K&N. No measurable difference between filters. I have a customer with a motorcycle that has over 400,000 miles on his engine. Never been rebuilt. K&N since first air filter change. I have never had an engine that lost ring seal or wore out valve guides in the past several decades.....
K&N makes no more power typically as newer air boxes and filters are much better designed. Cleaning a K&N too often is common.
I don't use them anymore. While they would save me money, I prefer to just install a new oem style when needed. Cleaning the damned K&N then oiling and letting that spread out properly just became more hassle than it is worth!
Oil analysis will tell you NOTHING about what traveled past your air filter, into your combustion chamber and ended up between the number ONE source of IC engine friction. The ring packs and cylinder walls.
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If you are never going to go off road, gravel roads, dusty dry roads, etc. it might be fine. As someone who used to repair motorcycles, every single dirt bike or dual sport with a K&N air filter had dirt and dust AFTER the filter in the air box whereas OEM filters or decent aftermarket filters were always clean after the air filter. I'll never run one in any of my vehicles.
That is a false statement.
Oil analysis charts show exactly how much dirt that bypasses the engine air filter is contained in the oil. Anyone that knows about oil analysis should look closely at the silicon values. That can show either an air filter not seated properly or a material problem with the filter or other plumbing in the intake track allowing unfiltered air into the engine. Some of this silicon (dirt) bypasses the rings and collects in the oil.
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On a reasonably sealed up engine, not likely. Oil analysis is done to find wear metals, lead, brass, copper, etc. Not for intake filtering issues.
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If dirt entering the combustion chamber makes it past the rings and through the filter and into the oil to be discovered in an oil analysis, isn't the damage already done?
Probably, but at that point you won’t need an oil analysis to tell you your engine has serious problems. Back around 2000 I bought a K&N setup for my Ford 5.4. It came with a cone filter that allowed glistening material to collect on the inside of the black inlet pipe. I’m pretty sure it was sand because of the road it frequently traveled down. I found out that K&N sold what they called a “sock” that went around the outside. I bought one and at that point I would wager my air flow was no better than the stock paper filter. I did like the intake roar when you put your foot in it, I was a kid.
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Again, you don't understand what an oil analysis can do. LONG before the chocolate milk sets in you will find an increase in coolant showing up in your sample. By the time chocolate milk is evident....you may have already damaged the bearings for instance.
Cavitation in diesel engines often starts with very small amounts of coolant showing up in oil. Slight head gasket leaks are often present thousands of miles before they become bad enough to cause "chocolate milk"......
Oil analysis is like doing blood work for your body. Tells you a lot about what is going on. Not all of it good in some cases!
And what does this have to do with the Air Filters ability to filter out debris?
I worked in an engine lab for the last 38+ years.
I have a pretty good understanding of the information an oil sample can give you.
Stop grasping at straws.
I really could care less if you and every other hybrid owner wanted to spend money on useless add-ons. Go for it.
Well, I do care when false statements are presented as truth for others to follow.
An air filters ability to filter ( as well as an indicator of something loose in the intact system that might be bypassing unfiltered air) is clearly show in the silicon measurement data found in an oil analysis.
Read this link:
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/89/silicon-engine-oil
Then tell me I am "grasping at straws"?
Never have promoted K&N filters over pleated paper as the better filter. Not sure why you mention me in a way that indicates buying them.
Sometimes it is hard to admit when you are wrong. Learn from it.
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