Are you switching your order from Hybrid to Ecoboost? [Now allowed by Ford!]

[pa-outdoorsman]

I tried to change my order but my dealer wanted to use that to opportunity to charge me more by forcing me to also get the Black Appearance Package (BAP) for an additional $1,645 if I wanted to make the change. I declined and left the order the way it was.

I posted about it here.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/problems-with-actually-changing-an-order.24937/

That's disgusting! Forcing someone to add options to their vehicle for the "privilege" of updating their order? What ever happened to customer service?

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[GyroRon]

I don't disagree. But if Ford's intention was to get a large number of people to jump, they need a bigger incentive. Since people would rather take their chances with the hybrid, the incentive to jump to EB would almost have to offset any predicted fuel savings.

I don't think Ford needs to give any incentive on this. Fact of the matter is... They can and will sell every Maverick they make at this point, regardless of powertrain.

If they have say ( I am making up numbers as I don't know the actual numbers ) 200,000 orders pending for 2023 Mavericks, and say 140,000 of those orders are hybrids and then 60K is EcoBoost... say they can only build 70K hybrids, and all 60K ecoboosts, They can just keep building ecoboosts and send them to dealers for dealer stock. There will be 70K people out there that simply won't get what they ordered and I don't think Ford gives a crap. They will still be able to sell everything they build regardless.

What ford is doing right now is giving people who placed a order for a hybrid, a chance to switch to a EcoBoost so they will for sure get a maverick spec'd out the way they want it.

The alternative is to roll the dice on getting a hybrid, knowing that as things stand today Ford says they will only be able to build 35% of the orders they received.... essentially only about 35% of those waiting on their hybrid will get one. So you can wait and see if your part of the lucky 35% club, or you can switch your powertrain to a EcoBoost and be pretty well guaranteed you will get your truck, or you can just wait another year and put in a order for a 2024 hybrid, or last alternative is you say screw it and buy a used one or buy a completely different vehicle, like say the new Prius or a CRV hybrid or a Santa Cruz or whatever.

But the issue of Ford should offer free AWD or some other big incentive to get people to switch their hybrid order to a EcoBoost order, I don't think they need to do that. They can fill the orders received best they can and just pump out whatever they can afterwards and send to the dealers as dealer stock and they will sell every one of them.

 

[Impetus19]

I don't disagree. But if Ford's intention was to get a large number of people to jump, they need a bigger incentive. Since people would rather take their chances with the hybrid, the incentive to jump to EB would almost have to offset any predicted fuel savings.

The option to switch is nice, and we have been saying that here since mid september when the order details came out. Not sure what took ford so long to allow it. But without an incentive, not sure what impact ot will have.
Also fwiw, my dealer talked me out of switching. He said they have never noticed much difference in what ford selects to build when they have allocations. Hybrids were just as likely to be selected as EB. This obviously doesnt hold true on the macro level. But from his perspective, he made a good point.

 

[commadorebob]

I don't think Ford needs to give any incentive on this. Fact of the matter is... They can and will sell every Maverick they make at this point, regardless of powertrain.

Again... I don't disagree with any of what you said. Ford can and will sell every truck they make this year whether it is 65% EB or not and regardless of whether the trucks go to dealers as retail orders or stock orders.

I'm simply saying if Ford's on-paper objective is to get existing hybrid orders to transition to EB orders, then there will have to be an incentive to do so because, right now, very few hybrid orders are looking to make the jump.

But honestly, that is how Ford should have done it. You start with the option to jump to EB and then work your way up. If I'm Ford and my sole objective is to get the hybrid orders down, this is how I do it:

Phase 1: Allow the option to EB​

Phase 2: Offer an incentive to EB.​

Phase 3: Offer a bigger incentive to EB.​

Phase 4: Start cancelling hybrid orders over the capacity threshold based on dealer allocation.​

 

[RR - All the way]

Ford has no motivation to offer an incentive. Build more stock EB's or have a price increase and open the EB order banks again.

I have watched buyers play the dropping constraints game for the last 15 or so months. SIBL, mud flaps lux packages, you name it. The longer the waiting took place, the more the buyer was ready to drop a constraint. I realize the switch from hybrid to EB is a major change. Just saying that the longer people are waiting, some with vehicles in need of major repairs, the more likely the switch over. Length of weight will be the incentive for some!

EDIT: I just say Bob's phases numbered 1 thru 4. Can you imagine the outcry from the number 2 takers when number 3 is initiated??

 

[commadorebob]

EDIT: I just say Bob's phases numbered 1 thru 4. Can you imagine the outcry from the number 2 takers when number 3 is initiated??

Just like the outcry that happened when people who already had the rails and SIBL built and didn't get the discount. Like I said, I don't think Ford does it. But if Ford's plan is to do it, that is how I would do it.

And we did see that with the SIBL.

Step 1: Announce extra capacity.​

Step 2: Incentivize extra orders.​

 

[Lonnie gee]

I still have an older Ranger with low mileage and I will not spend the $26K for an XLT eco just to get a Maverick. That money will buy lots of fuel plus my CD's and cassettes will still be useful. I'm not sold on all this tech stuff.

Good for you ,I’m with you we are living now in an era where people think we need or the want all this BS effecting the price of everyone’s transportation needs ,really wher being sold to , have take even at base stuff something’s or nice ok but how much,
Then all we will do in time is live at the dealership with cost of repairs
To all the added stuff . I need stop and wait for replies
I’m not mad! 🧏 good day for coffee

 

[Lonnie gee]

Ford has no motivation to offer an incentive. Build more stock EB's or have a price increase and open the EB order banks again.

I have watched buyers play the dropping constraints game for the last 15 or so months. SIBL, mud flaps lux packages, you name it. The longer the waiting took place, the more the buyer was ready to drop a constraint. I realize the switch from hybrid to EB is a major change. Just saying that the longer people are waiting, some with vehicles in need of major repairs, the more likely the switch over. Length of weight will be the incentive for some!

EDIT: I just say Bob's phases numbered 1 thru 4. Can you imagine the outcry from the number 2 takers when number 3 is initiated??

You mean 3rd year order takers a in third year of production, 2024’s
I missed something

 

[reciprocating_ravioli]

I have to wonder: If your dealer has more orders than allocations (and likely more hybrids than EB) if it would really matter switching to EB.

There are plenty of folks that started with EB, no constraints and had to wait over a year.


I also wonder, if Ford did offer an actual good incentive to switch - if that might tip the scale so much that you'd then be waiting a lot longer for an EB.

 

[Lonnie gee]

I have to wonder: If your dealer has more orders than allocations (and likely more hybrids than EB) if it would really matter switching to EB.

There are plenty of folks that started with EB, no constraints and had to wait over a year.


I also wonder, if Ford did offer an actual good incentive to switch - if that might tip the scale so much that you'd then be waiting a lot longer for an EB.

Yes ,yes makes sense he’ll , no allocations ,if that’s it doesn’t matter

 

[LSchicago]

100%. Ford needs to get their shit together.

 

[grod]

I placed my order specifically because of the hybrid, changing isn't an option for me.

 

[05FordGT]

Not changing ONE BIT! I ordered my Maverick because it's a Hybrid, and will be selling my 2019 Fusion Energi when it arrives (currently on a 12 month extension from FMC, but will buy it out in a few months since the buyout is stupid low vs what it's worth). Even if I have to wait for a 2024 (which I freaking hope I don't but will) I want my little hybrid truck.

 

[dccomicsok]

UPDATE - YOU CAN NOW SWITCH FROM HYBRID to ECOBOOST ORDER - per today's memo:

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/12-14-22-–-2023-maverick-availability-memo-allows-order-switch-from-hybrid-to-ecoboost-new-discount-package-current-constraints-info.24779/

My dealer said that was only for old my22 orders and that I couldn’t change mine.

 

[pa-outdoorsman]

My dealer said that was only for old my22 orders and that I couldn’t change mine.

Yeah, because the memo literally came out after Model Year 2023 orders were in the system and Model Year 2022 production was finished. So, that makes sense...

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