Sports Mode in hybrid is just...wow....

[GPSMan]

So if they "both combine both power sources full time" how long until recharge hits and you lose that power from the internal combustion engine ICE? I had a honda hybrid where the recharge would happen on long hills and instead of ICE power + electric power ( 98 hp + 13 hp = 111 hp ) it was 98 hp - 13 hp = 85 hp,

I owned a 2000 Honda Insight for a number of years. I didn't like this aspect. There was an after market modification where you could shut off and turn on the regen, and assist at will via push button. Made the car much more fun.

The Mav has a "light" version of this via the different modes.

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[Dad]

It's not underrated and it's not as punchy as you think. A 0-60 time in the high 7's and a 1/4 mile in the high 15's says it all.

I'm wondering if you've driven the hybrid in sport mode.

 

[JimParker256]

It's not underrated and it's not as punchy as you think. A 0-60 time in the high 7's and a 1/4 mile in the high 15's says it all.

But didn't they say their testing was in "normal" mode? I have no idea if that would make any difference in the Maverick, but my 0-60 time in the Prius-C is reduced when I'm not in ECO mode, which seems to be the default.

(I originally wrote "shorter" instead of "reduced", but when you're talking mid-12's for 0-60, any derivative of "short" just doesn't apply...)

 

[Saul T Knutz]

Kind of off-topic for MTC, but...

I purchased a brand new 1990 Taurus SHO (white with black leather interior) and that car was a BEAST. When I picked it up, I had to accelerate up a fairly steep on-ramp to an elevated freeway section. I wasn't trying to max out the acceleration, but it was so smooth and so powerful that I was surprised to find myself at 90 mph well before getting to the merge lane, and had to back off a LOT to merge into traffic. Wow, what a feeling!

Being all white, with minimal badging, it was a real sleeper. To the cops it was just another "family sedan"... And I just loved it when some hot-shot BMW driver would pull up to me at a stop light and blip his throttle impatiently, then try to smoke me off the line. I tried real hard not to exceed the speed limit in those situations, but from zero to posted speed limit, I was rarely beaten by anything that didn't cost at least 5X the SHO's price.

After I'd had it a few months, I learned that a new section of freeway was about to open. I kept watch to see when all the barricades would be removed (other than the very first on-ramp "partial" barricade with the "closed" sign). The evening before the "grand opening" I paralleled the full length of the "to-be-opened" section along the service road to make sure it was all clear and that no cops were present. Then I went back to the staring point, drove around the barricade and opened up the SHO.

Sidebar: I had a friend whose brother worked in the Ford performance division. He had told us that Ford put a governor on the SHO at 143 mph for two reasons: 1) they didn't want to have to put even more expensive tires on it, and 2) they really didn't want to face the anger from all the Mustang GT 5.0 fanboys when a lowly Taurus would run faster than their "hot rod" pony car...

Well, that evening, on that closed section of freeway, I was able to confirm that the governor kicked in at 143 mph, and that the car felt rock-solid at that speed. The engine was still pulling pretty hard when the limiter kicked in, too. I've often wondered just how fast that car might have been without the limiter.

Now back to your regular MTC thread topic... (Sorry for the diversion.)

These whippersnappers don't know about the SHO!! Imagine a boring family sedan and one day Ford says "F it, let's spice things up", adds more power and a 5 speed manual transmission (ask your parents what a manual transmission is), a few body mods, and sporty wheels. It was...revolutionary and unexpected. Today it'd be like if Ford swapped the 2.0 for the 2.7, twin turboed it, added a 6 speed manual, lowered it on mag ride style suspension, dual exhaust with exits before the rear tires, 20 inch wheels on Cup tires, added Brembos on 15 inch rotors, and Sparco seats with alcantara inserts....

 

[JennyJoannSuebeeMcNash]

And these are three hybrids talking. Not sure they could handle an EB!!!

The EB in Sport mode is a whole other ride!

 

[Maverick2023]

The EB in Sport mode is a whole other ride!

This is why I can’t wait to take delivery of my EB in 2 weeks.

 

[GPSMan]

EcoBoost: smaller engine, more work per liter

EcoBoost: turbocharged, more wear and tear

EcoBoost: gonna last 5-10 years, depending on use and driver

Battery Boost: 25% larger engine (not trivial) = less work per liter

Battery Boosted = opposite of turbocharged = less wear and tear

Battery Boost: gonna last 10 to 20 years depending on use and driver

 

[TheQuixotic1]

EcoBoost: smaller engine, more work per liter

EcoBoost: turbocharged, more wear and tear

EcoBoost: gonna last 5-10 years, depending on use and driver

Battery Boost: 25% larger engine (not trivial) = less work per liter

Battery Boosted = opposite of turbocharged = less wear and tear

Battery Boost: gonna last 10 to 20 years depending on use and driver

EcoBoost: AWD and 4k Tow
Battery Boost: Sad face



AWD and 4k Tow made me abandon the thought of ordering the hybrid; wife and I are planning on a camper to soon-follow the Maverick (if I ever get one). If the day comes and they offer a hybrid with AWD and 4k Tow (hopefully soon and preferably PHEV) I will jump ship so fast from the EcoBoost and gladly eat any potential loss to get what I really want.

 

[GPSMan]

Well, the Hybrid tows 3300 lbs at 9 feet tall just fine. Obviously it's not great for huge 30 foot campers. Neither is the 2.0 EB. None of the Mavericks compare to a HD or Super Duty truck. Hybrid is very capable and a good choice for those who only tow occasionally. I guess you need to consider the primary purpose for the vehicle. For most, like me, it is a daily driver, a commuter. It's going to meet my towing needs 4 times a year.

 

[Maverick2112]

Well, the Hybrid tows 3300 lbs at 9 feet tall just fine. Obviously it's not great for huge 30 foot campers. Neither is the 2.0 EB. None of the Mavericks compare to a HD or Super Duty truck. Hybrid is very capable and a good choice for those who only tow occasionally. I guess you need to consider the primary purpose for the vehicle. For most, like me, it is a daily driver, a commuter. It's going to meet my towing needs 4 times a year.

I'm curious to know what you are towing? Do you have any pictures?

 

[JennyJoannSuebeeMcNash]

This is why I can’t wait to take delivery of my EB in 2 weeks.

You will LOVE your XL, I promise! I run mine in Eco mode (which should be the default mode in these trucks) for my daily commute and regularly pull 28mpg. Highway mileage runs low end 30mpg and once with a good tailwind pulled an amazing 39mpg going 65-72mph. Don't need all the extras of the XLT or Lariat. Cruise control would have been a nice standard option, but I can live without it.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Kind of off-topic for MTC, but...

I purchased a brand new 1990 Taurus SHO (white with black leather interior) and that car was a BEAST. When I picked it up, I had to accelerate up a fairly steep on-ramp to an elevated freeway section. I wasn't trying to max out the acceleration, but it was so smooth and so powerful that I was surprised to find myself at 90 mph well before getting to the merge lane, and had to back off a LOT to merge into traffic. Wow, what a feeling!

Being all white, with minimal badging, it was a real sleeper. To the cops it was just another "family sedan"... And I just loved it when some hot-shot BMW driver would pull up to me at a stop light and blip his throttle impatiently, then try to smoke me off the line. I tried real hard not to exceed the speed limit in those situations, but from zero to posted speed limit, I was rarely beaten by anything that didn't cost at least 5X the SHO's price.

After I'd had it a few months, I learned that a new section of freeway was about to open. I kept watch to see when all the barricades would be removed (other than the very first on-ramp "partial" barricade with the "closed" sign). The evening before the "grand opening" I paralleled the full length of the "to-be-opened" section along the service road to make sure it was all clear and that no cops were present. Then I went back to the staring point, drove around the barricade and opened up the SHO.

Sidebar: I had a friend whose brother worked in the Ford performance division. He had told us that Ford put a governor on the SHO at 143 mph for two reasons: 1) they didn't want to have to put even more expensive tires on it, and 2) they really didn't want to face the anger from all the Mustang GT 5.0 fanboys when a lowly Taurus would run faster than their "hot rod" pony car...

Well, that evening, on that closed section of freeway, I was able to confirm that the governor kicked in at 143 mph, and that the car felt rock-solid at that speed. The engine was still pulling pretty hard when the limiter kicked in, too. I've often wondered just how fast that car might have been without the limiter.

Now back to your regular MTC thread topic... (Sorry for the diversion.)

There was no governor on the 1st Gen SHO. It's just pure airdag vs power that limited it.
I owned one in Germany- it was built in Feb91 and registered in Germany from Aug91. I bought it in 2002 and drove it HARD until a rod bearing spun in 2004. Although the car got up to 120mph pretty easy it took a lot of road to get up to 140. I only maxxed it out a couple times because traffic in the way.

My ex didn't like going "too fast" so on trips the cruise was set at 90mph, and you're passing most of the traffic still- the gas mileage takes a super hit at anything above 75mph and Germans have to pay a LOT for gas.

The US spec Dodge/Chyrsler minivans of that time DID have a governor- if you got up to 110mph it cut the gas until you got back down to 90mph. Kinda dangerous when you're in traffic and you aren't planning for that and almost get rear-ended (friend).

 

[JimParker256]

I don't know for sure, but the Ford engineer who claimed to have programmed the electronics told his brother that it was governed electronically to not exceed 143 mph. Maybe the US model was different that whatever was sold in Germany - I don't know.

I do know what I experienced in that one run to 143 was that it was still accelerating until I hit 143, then it just quit pulling. Maybe it hit an aerodynamic wall, but I fly airplanes and am quite familiar with aerodynamics limitations and how airplanes behave in those situations, and the SHO didn't feel like that at all. It wasn't creeping up on it, it was still accelerating noticeably until suddenly it wasn't.

But either way, it was an awesome car. My one brief drive in the Maverick Ecoboost brought back memories of the SHO. Not saying it was exactly the same kind of performance, but brought back those memories, big time. I would probably be way too tempted by an Ecoboost...

 

[AutobahnSHO]

There wasn't a "German-specific" version of the Gen1 SHO. It was fun watching people look at the car wondering what it was LOL. Just like I gazed at the many different European cars!

I really miss mine- it was one of my favorites as a kid so a true dream come true to own one- and especially to let it rip on the Autobahn!

 

[TheQuixotic1]

Well, the Hybrid tows 3300 lbs at 9 feet tall just fine. Obviously it's not great for huge 30 foot campers. Neither is the 2.0 EB. None of the Mavericks compare to a HD or Super Duty truck. Hybrid is very capable and a good choice for those who only tow occasionally. I guess you need to consider the primary purpose for the vehicle. For most, like me, it is a daily driver, a commuter. It's going to meet my towing needs 4 times a year.

What it is capable of towing vs what it's rated to tow are two very different things when it comes to any potential insurance claims. If I'm towing a small camper for 8+ hours, I don't want disaster to strike and my insurance company to throw their hands up because I exceeded the rating by 500 pounds even though it was towing it perfectly fine.

If they were to ever offer the Maverick (or Ranger, for that matter) with the 2.3L EcoBoost and AWD in a PHEV format that can also tow 4k/5k+; that's a "game over" vehicle for me. Would that Maverick cost a few thousand more than the Hyundai SC? Sure. But it would be well worth it.

Everyone I know has said the 2.3L is almost bulletproof after Ford worked out their cooling issues that hit the mustang and focus RS hard in their first year or two ('15-'16/'17?). Combine that with a ~15kwh battery and electric motor that adds decent hp and torque (like the Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring) and has a 30+ mile EV range and you'd have an absolute beast of efficiency and capability.

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