Which do you think will have less problems/ better longevity the hybrid or eco boost?

[Maverick2022XL]

Very interesting thoughts. The only thing that comes to my mind is your battery replacement price, which could change dramatically in a 10 year period. From what I've seen on the Maverick changing out the battery does look very doable, however in 10 years I might not be in a "doable" frame of mind! I'm hoping that battery prices will continue to drop as they become more wide spread for vehicles. I also hope there's some type of standardized battery pack that would make changing them out much easier.

Yeah I should stated that in the assumptions that the price would stay about the same as now for the battery. But then again you can easily adjust based on where you think the battery price may be at that time.

Sponsored

 

[hcforde]

For craps and giggles I did a cost analysis of if a hybrid vs gas is actually more cost efficient long term from a fuel spending standpoint if you hold your hybrid long enough that you have to replace the high voltage battery.

Keep in mind these assume the following.
The hybrid battery will have to be replaced at 10 year / 300k miles due to natural discharge which btw is not covered under warranty.
The hybrid replacement battery costs somewhere between $2500 - $3000.
This also doesn't factor in trim and vehicle price.
This assumes each tank is filled to 15 gallons and 12k miles travelled per year.
Assumes a constant $3 per gallon of gas @ 87 octane
Assumes the hybrid is getting 37 MPG combined and the 2.0L ecoboost is 26 MPG combined
All values rounded down
This also doesn't assume cold weather driving which drop your fuel efficiency on a hybrid by about 8%.

Fuel over a 10 year period for a hybrid will run ~$9450
Fuel over a 10 year period for a 2.0L ecoboost will run ~ $13,500

So that is $4050 savings running a hybrid assuming no battery replacement. Then somewhere between $1550 - $1050 if you do in year 10.

Now lets assume the battery goes in 8 years
Your fuel is $7560 vs $10800 and a $3240 difference w/o replacing the battery.
Battery replacement that savings is anywhere between $740 and $240.

So end result to get the max savings on fuel you want to get out of your hybrid before the battery goes but even if you don't you should still be net ahead of a gas only 2.0L ecoboost.

You factored in the battery replacement which is not a given but you did not factor in maintenance of the turbo which is a given.

 

[lmaccherone]

EB costs $1,100 more to start. $4,000 more in gas over 10 year life. $2,500 less because it won't need a battery but say $1,000 more in maintence of the turbo and transmission. That means the hybrid saves you $3,600 over the life.

That said, the original question was about logevity. The consensus seems to be that the hybrid wins here also. Reasons givin include less time running, fewer parts with a history of breaking (no transmission, no turbo, no belts, etc.), problems with direct injection and turbo boost resuling in more deposits. Evidence of Toyota and Ford hybrids running for 300K+ miles while turbo charged engines are known to only live about 150K miles, 200K max.

I don't think anyone has mentioned that the hybrid also operates at a lower temperature on average, if I'm not not mistaken. Metal parts wear out faster when hotter so that also should be a factor.

I also don't think anyone mentioned that hybrids don't have a dedicated starter-generator, which is another part that fails often. Of course they have a unit with two electric motors that serves as starter, generator, and transmission but you can add that to the list of discrete components that an EB has that the hybrid does not.

On the other side of the fence, only the hybrid has a heat exchanger on the exhaust to bring up the coolant temperature faster. I believe that's done so the passengers get heat sooner but it might also get the engine into optimal operating conditions faster.

 

[desmobob]

I used to worry about engine longevity but I grew up when 100K miles was a lot to have on an engine. My current reality is that in 13 years, I have put less than 80K miles on my Subaru Forester so, hopefully, I won't have to worry about the longevity of my EcoBoost.

I live in northern NY and the road salt and rust will kill any vehicle before I can wear out the engine...

 

[TopGunGoose]

Ya, as a proud owner of an ecoboost order, I'm convinced that the hybrid is a better vehicle for longevity

The warranty is going to be moot when that battery is sub 70% capacity in 5 years and costs $6000 to replace, ($4,000 part and $2,000 labor, and thats CHEAP)

Not to mention the A/C compressor system on the hybrids cost you $2,000 in parts and another $1,000 in labor, compared to EB $500 part and $500 or less in labor.

Also lets talk range when that battery drops below 80% capacity, the EB will have the upper hand the second you do, as its range is a static known quantifiable number.

I would bet $10,000 the EB models will be around and on the road in 15 years, the hybrids from 2022 won't.

 

[Maverick2022XL]

You factored in the battery replacement which is not a given but you did not factor in maintenance of the turbo which is a given.

That was outside the scope of the analysis.

 

[Harleystreetbob]

For craps and giggles I did a cost analysis of if a hybrid vs gas is actually more cost efficient long term from a fuel spending standpoint if you hold your hybrid long enough that you have to replace the high voltage battery.

Keep in mind these assume the following.
The hybrid battery will have to be replaced at 10 year / 300k miles due to natural discharge which btw is not covered under warranty.
The hybrid replacement battery costs somewhere between $2500 - $3000.
This also doesn't factor in trim and vehicle price.
This assumes each tank is filled to 15 gallons and 12k miles travelled per year.
Assumes a constant $3 per gallon of gas @ 87 octane
Assumes the hybrid is getting 37 MPG combined and the 2.0L ecoboost is 26 MPG combined
All values rounded down
This also doesn't assume cold weather driving which drop your fuel efficiency on a hybrid by about 8%.

Fuel over a 10 year period for a hybrid will run ~$9450
Fuel over a 10 year period for a 2.0L ecoboost will run ~ $13,500

So that is $4050 savings running a hybrid assuming no battery replacement. Then somewhere between $1550 - $1050 if you do in year 10.

Now lets assume the battery goes in 8 years
Your fuel is $7560 vs $10800 and a $3240 difference w/o replacing the battery.
Battery replacement that savings is anywhere between $740 and $240.

So end result to get the max savings on fuel you want to get out of your hybrid before the battery goes but even if you don't you should still be net ahead of a gas only 2.0L ecoboost.

.......Also factor in more parts to go wrong on EB ,turbos ect....

 

[FakeCowboy]

.......Also factor in more parts to go wrong on EB ,turbos ect....

My experience with the borg warner turbos that Ford uses is that they are complete and utter garbage. Compare that to the factory Garrett on my 130k mile WRX which has been tuned and is probably on the very edge of optimal flow characteristics and it's still perfect. All of this is my opinion of course but it's based on my direct experience working on Ford vehicles that my family members have owned but I would definitely put my money on the very proven 2.5L hybrid setup. I tell everyone to avoid ecoboost engines, if I were buying a Maverick instead of leasing it for my side business I would absolutely go with the hybrid.

 

[hcforde]

That was outside the scope of the analysis.

The your analysis is very off for the point you were attempting to make.

I saw a video once of a guy asking Ford mechanics what they would buy, naturally aspirated or ecoboost. a large majority said naturally aspirated. I will rely on the scope of their analysis.

 

[RonFetty]

Now that's a really good question. On the one hand, a hybrid night have a few more parts, and the more parts, the more chances for failure. However, with a hybrid vehicle, some of the wear and tear is taken off of the ICE, and can add longevity.
I'm hearing great things about the durability of the newer Prius.... 300K miles does not seem to be a big deal.

Lol. That’s a Toyota. You can’t compare them.

ICE Toyotas have 1milly miles with oil change.

ford is going to be shattier reliability. I don’t really care for the price point tho.

 

[Delzona]

The warranty is going to be moot when that battery is sub 70% capacity in 5 years and costs $6000 to replace, ($4,000 part and $2,000 labor, and thats CHEAP)

Not to mention the A/C compressor system on the hybrids cost you $2,000 in parts and another $1,000 in labor, compared to EB $500 part and $500 or less in labor.

Also lets talk range when that battery drops below 80% capacity, the EB will have the upper hand the second you do, as its range is a static known quantifiable number.

I would bet $10,000 the EB models will be around and on the road in 15 years, the hybrids from 2022 won't.

Out of curiosity, where did you come up with $4000 for a battery? I didn't think you could even find a replacement hybrid battery for the Maverick yet.

 

[Jmav2152]

As some one who owned a 6.0 powerstroke and the nightmare they are, the 2.0 EB doesn't even scare me in the slightest.

Hybrid most likely wins out down the line but simple fact is that it has limited capabilities before then. It cannot and will not be worked as hard as the EB can and will. And that's not a diss on the hybrid but just the reality of it.

 

[KeinoDoggy]

The warranty is going to be moot when that battery is sub 70% capacity in 5 years and costs $6000 to replace, ($4,000 part and $2,000 labor, and thats CHEAP)

Not to mention the A/C compressor system on the hybrids cost you $2,000 in parts and another $1,000 in labor, compared to EB $500 part and $500 or less in labor.

Also lets talk range when that battery drops below 80% capacity, the EB will have the upper hand the second you do, as its range is a static known quantifiable number.

I would bet $10,000 the EB models will be around and on the road in 15 years, the hybrids from 2022 won't.

The last hybrid I owned I purchased new, drove it for 10 years, and if there was any reduction in battery capacity, it never showed it. I actually was getting better mpg than when I bought it regardless of the fact the battery was 10 years old.

Sponsored