FORD MAVERICK DELAYS AND CHIP SHORTAGE

[GaryHoosier]

I will gladly take the bump to MY23!! Maybe more money but one year newer is okay with me! But if you are in need of a vehicle then I understand your frustration for sure.

...a bump to MY23 could be a good thing, will probably have a couple of new color options.
On the other hand, I'm not getting any younger...

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[Mymaverick2021]

Aloha Tim, Someone should start a go fund me for Realmaker86 so he doesn't have to give up his Hybrid Maverick. Just Saying

 

[DryHeat]

I don't think you are getting the gist of what I'm trying to say.

Actually, I think I do. And you could be right, or you could be wrong.

But what you are saying is based too much on "probably," "I suspect," and anecdotes for me.

I've spent a good part of my life listening to people make perfectly logical, even persuasive arguments for exactly opposite positions. But in the end, it's the evidence that really matters.

 

[FakeCowboy]

Actually, I think I do. And you could be right, or you could be wrong.

But what you are saying is based too much on "probably," "I suspect," and anecdotes for me.

I've spent a good part of my life listening to people make perfectly logical, even persuasive arguments for exactly opposite positions. But in the end, it's the evidence that really matters.

Look, you seem like you get easily stuck on details. Like I just said, trying to make sense of this process is completely pointless. I do have my own beliefs and while the pricing from Chapman and Granger seemed great deep down I knew that I was unlikely to see a truck anytime soon from either of them. I said in my own post that I have no definitive clue and what I was saying was based on what amounts to theory but trying to compare statistics based on a sample from a small dealership in AZ and a large dealership that advertises nationally with an almost gimmicky sales pitch/program seems anything but statistically accurate.

I think my biggest belief about all of this is that Ford has been in this business for a very very long time. While they might never share their secrets for allocation and it will probably never ever make sense to us and some people will whine and cry about it, they know what they're doing. I have never purchased a Ford product in my life so I'm not some fanboy but they are a successful business and I'm sure there is plenty of logic, sales analysis and market research behind an allocation system that some want to cry as being "stupid".

 

[jwiedle24]

Look, you seem like you get easily stuck on details. Like I just said, trying to make sense of this process is completely pointless. I do have my own beliefs and while the pricing from Chapman and Granger seemed great deep down I knew that I was unlikely to see a truck anytime soon from either of them. I said in my own post that I have no definitive clue and what I was saying was based on what amounts to theory but trying to compare statistics based on a sample from a small dealership in AZ and a large dealership that advertises nationally with an almost gimmicky sales pitch/program seems anything but statistically accurate.

I think my biggest belief about all of this is that Ford has been in this business for a very very long time. While they might never share their secrets for allocation and it will probably never ever make sense to us and some people will whine and cry about it, they know what they're doing. I have never purchased a Ford product in my life so I'm not some fanboy but they are a successful business and I'm sure there is plenty of logic, sales analysis and market research behind an allocation system that some want to cry as being "stupid".

After reading all this back and forth, I feel like what’s getting lost in the mix is that DryHeat‘s main concern is not allocation — as that is what determines scheduling. Him and I both are more concerned about why our trucks were scheduled, built, and then tossed aside for a chip hold when other trucks were built weeks later and shipped.

 

[FakeCowboy]

After reading all this back and forth, I feel like what’s getting lost in the mix is that DryHeat‘s main concern is not allocation — as that is what determines scheduling. Him and I both are more concerned about why our trucks were scheduled, built, and then tossed aside for a chip hold when other trucks were built weeks later and shipped.

Honestly, based on everything he said, I didn't get that sense at all.

In my opinion, if they get a shipment of whatever control module they needed, they're going to outfit whatever is on the line and leave the vehicles sitting in the lot that need the control modules for outfitting last. It sucks to hear but it's way more cost efficient to maintain the production line first and get to the ones sitting in the lot when it's convenient for the production team.

 

[CACTI_HYBRID]

After reading all this back and forth, I feel like what’s getting lost in the mix is that DryHeat‘s main concern is not allocation — as that is what determines scheduling. Him and I both are more concerned about why our trucks were scheduled, built, and then tossed aside for a chip hold when other trucks were built weeks later and shipped.

Might it be that to maximize output it's faster to put chip modules in vehicles while on the production line rather than pull mostly-completed trucks back in to add chip modules they didn't get? Sure, this isn't fair to those who've been waiting longer for their order, but I'm guessing Ford is most interested in volume and efficiency right now. Just a wild guess. I'm engaging in SWAG like everyone else.

 

[jwiedle24]

Honestly, based on everything he said, I didn't get that sense at all.

In my opinion, if they get a shipment of whatever control module they needed, they're going to outfit whatever is on the line and leave the vehicles sitting in the lot that need the control modules for outfitting last. It sucks to hear but it's way more cost efficient to maintain the production line first and get to the ones sitting in the lot when it's convenient for the production team.

Might it be that to maximize output it's faster to put chip modules in vehicles while on the production line rather than pull mostly-completed trucks back in to add chip modules they didn't get? Sure, this isn't fair to those who've been waiting longer for their order, but I'm guessing Ford is most interested in volume and efficiency right now. Just a wild guess. I'm engaging in SWAG like everyone else.

FakeCowboy — I can see how you didn’t get that, which is why I said it was lost in the mix, somewhere lol I’ve just been following several threads that he is also apart of so know that his main issue originated as what I described.

STD — I also agree it is more efficient to add the modules to the trucks on the line. But my point was, our vehicles were on the line weeks before, then never got finished to ship. While other ones got put on the line weeks later and shipped. Where did those trucks get the mysterious chip/module from that ours is apparently missing?

I’m not sure how Ford will actually handle it. On the line is more efficient. With orders being cutoff, they have an end in sight to know the trucks wont just be left to rot (like Bronco Sports) if they intend to finish them all for MY22. So the ones built right as the chip hold occurred could end up being last to ship, which would be unfortunate.

However, it also seems plausible to add the modules to the vehicles on the line whenever the chips arrive, but then delay the build dates for remaining scheduled vehicles to get the modules put into the vehicles that are missing them.

I also don’t know if it’s something that could be done simultaneously at the plant without disrupting the assembly line. Who knows…

 

[FakeCowboy]

FakeCowboy — I can see how you didn’t get that, which is why I said it was lost in the mix, somewhere lol I’ve just been following several threads that he is also apart of so know that his main issue originated as what I described.

STD — I also agree it is more efficient to add the modules to the trucks on the line. But my point was, our vehicles were on the line weeks before, then never got finished to ship. While other ones got put on the line weeks later and shipped. Where did those trucks get the mysterious chip/module from that ours is apparently missing?

I’m not sure how Ford will actually handle it. On the line is more efficient. With orders being cutoff, they have an end in sight to know the trucks wont just be left to rot (like Bronco Sports) if they intend to finish them all for MY22. So the ones built right as the chip hold occurred could end up being last to ship, which would be unfortunate.

However, it also seems plausible to add the modules to the vehicles on the line whenever the chips arrive, but then delay the build dates for remaining scheduled vehicles to get the modules put into the vehicles that are missing them.

I also don’t know if it’s something that could be done simultaneously at the plant without disrupting the assembly line. Who knows…

Ford doesn't produce everything themselves, they outsource plenty of parts. Once upon a time Ford, Chevy, Chrysler used to keep a ridiculous amount of parts on hand for production and then they learned lean manufacturing practices from things like GM partnering with Toyota during their collaboration in the 80s (NUMMI). In this day and age of supply chain insanity I'm sure lean production is such a nightmare.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Aloha Tim, Someone should start a go fund me for Realmaker86 so he doesn't have to give up his Hybrid Maverick. Just Saying

Gofundme is a rip off and got caught.

 

[hcforde]

Actually copilot 360 seems to be a constraint for ecoboost orders. My ecoboost, ordered in October, is completely base except for copilot and is not scheduled. Dealer told me last week that according to Ford "co-polit 360 is putting it on conflict restriction production". I have literally no other options selected.
Maybe the dealer is not being straight with me. Hard to trust anyone these days.

My XLT (EcoBoost)was ordered Oct 29th with CoPilot, Tow package, 400watt inverter, 300A equipment group. My options total $4850. If you were in a business to make a profit, and had all the components to use to build out a vehicle, on which vehicle would you put the CoPilot 360 on; your XL or my XLT.

If you do not have all of the components, you build what you can with what you have on hand. That is the simple story! The more complex one goes into regional dealer allocation.

 

[Mymaverick2021]

Gofundme is a rip off and got caught.

I did not know that thank you for the info, It was the thought that counts

 

[DryHeat]

Look, you seem like you get easily stuck on details. Like I just said, trying to make sense of this process is completely pointless. I do have my own beliefs and while the pricing from Chapman and Granger seemed great deep down I knew that I was unlikely to see a truck anytime soon from either of them. I said in my own post that I have no definitive clue and what I was saying was based on what amounts to theory but trying to compare statistics based on a sample from a small dealership in AZ and a large dealership that advertises nationally with an almost gimmicky sales pitch/program seems anything but statistically accurate.

What I'm actually stuck on is facts -- precisely because there have been several different theories put out here by people who, to use your phrase, "have no definitive clue."

So, yes... I compared numbers from a small dealership to numbers from a large dealership. That was the whole point, wasn't it? (I know you believe "deep down" that large dealerships that advertise nationally are statistically different from other large dealerships. It would be great if you had some data to support that belief.)

Anyway, if you read my post (linked here again), you know I made my calculations based not on any deeply held beliefs but instead on the only facts I had available at the time (or even now, for that matter). And also that I readily acknowledged that "I can't say that it's like that everywhere, but I can't say that it's not either."

I understand that you feel that it must be different elsewhere and that you think others should believe that too. I just don't feel any particular urge to join in that belief.

Instead, I hope someone will step in with some actual data and the truth will be revealed. Until then there's not much else we can do.

 

[ehauser]

Ya know, there were articles that Ford was considering sending trucks without chips to dealers to have them install later, I can't imagine how they can consider those logistics and not logistics making the SIBL a dealer installed option. Maybe cost in Mexico is insanely cheaper than if they got dealers to do it. If that's the case, worst scenario allow us to drop it with no discount if we choose, or some small compensation like Ford points etc.

As long as the crucial chips are there for the truck to run and the heated seats don’t work I would be ok with getting that chip installed later. What I would hate to do is drop luxury package and then not have the option of ever having certain upgrades as I assume the whole system couldn’t be added later. I plan on driving this truck 10+ years.

 

[Martin Ohio]

I had ordered on June 18th but in October there were posts about dealers not imputing the orders in correctly. I just happen to call into my dealer to speak with a sales manager and found out that the order was not placed properly. After telling my dealer about ROVP and the lead to Maverick program. About a few days later ford finally confirmed my order on October 12th.

Really sucks because none of this was my fault and completely out of my control. They should do the same thing that ford is doing for Mach e and lightning where it’s all online and don’t even have to go to a dealership. They messed things up and now my order went in much later than it was originally. Any other October orders out there? Do you think we will be pushed to 2023?

Consider yourself lucky. I ordered October and did not realize till January when dealer called and said ford can't complete my order. Dealership did not do order correctly. No rovp or covp.

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