Dealer Insight Into Delays: Hybrid / Co-Pilot 360 / Luxury Package / Spray-In Bedliner (by Tim Bartz)

[Delzona]

Maybe. It's a question of which helps most: your Priority 2 might mean you'll soon be scheduled (though some folks have been Priority 2 since September); removing a constrained item might mean you'll soon be scheduled. It's hard to know what to do sometimes. Ford could really be more forthcoming with some of this stuff, and have a better plan for scheduling. Good luck to you!

Exactly! If you have a constraint item or items, being Priority 2 won't mean a thing. Just look at all the folks at Priority 2 since Sept, I was one for a few months, but the SIBL keep killing my chances of getting scheduled. Another factor to consider is the allocations your dealership is receiving. If they have 20 orders waiting and receive 5 allocations that week or month, that means they (should) look at the oldest orders first and proceed down the list. However, every order with constraint items won't get picked, which is how you get orders sitting in Priority 2 for weeks or months and orders with a more recent order date getting selected before older order dates. Yes the order is ready, but the constraint item (s) is holding it back. So if you drop out of Priority 2, back to 10 and have your dealer remove the constraint item or items, then the next scheduling week you could jump right back to Priority 2 and possible be chosen. It's all a gamble no matter what you choose. I will say that June/July orders are being selected as much as possible and I suspect that First Editions model will also start receiving more of a Priority because Ford will want all of them build to before MY22 is finished. Of course this is all just my opinion, I am neither an expert nor claim to be one, your experiences may differ.

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[Delzona]

Another benefit, for Ford, is that by not dropping constraint items it also buys them more time to obtain the needed supplies. Additionally, people dropping constraint items from their order also inches Ford numbers closer to what supplies they do have available. I still think that Ford could do themselves a huge favor by reaching out to everyone still waiting with constraint items, like the SIBL, and see if people want to make changes. Of course folks can do that themselves, but I think Ford could take control of these problems by being more proactive instead of being reactive. That's my 2 cents, spent for today!

 

[Naranjita]

I am neither an expert nor claim to be one

No, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[eddiejsw]

In a recent thread the full size spare wasn't listed on the constraint items:

Spray-in Bedliner - 47% (56% of current builds)
Cargo Management System - 46% (54% of current builds)
CoPilot 360 - 42% (57% of current builds)
XLT Lux - 15% (29% of current builds)
Lariat Lux - 12% (25% of current builds)
Bed Cover: Soft Cover - 16%
Bed Cover: Hard Tri-fold - 2.5%
Bed Cover: Roll-Up - 3%
Bed Extender - 2%
Bed Mat - 2%

Not sure where these numbers were obtained from and if they are true.

 

[Newtotrucksvt]

Fellow Vermonter here. Your dealer uses codes as low as 10. A Priority 2 can only be set by a regional manager. (It's supposed to mean you're near to being scheduled, but that doesn't always pan out. Some folks have been Priority 2 since September.) If you really want to change your order, you can ask your dealer to change your Priority to 10, so that you can make changes.

Thanks XLTLUXRED, nice to see a fellow Vermonter! I want the cover, but if I'm already a priority 2 from the regionals with a possible build date coming, I'm letting it ride!!! I'll remain cautiously hopeful.

 

[Mite-o-Dan]

Just heard @fordvideoguy (Tim Bartz) says that there is some truth about the Hybrid, Co-Pilot 360 and Luxury Package/SIBL delays. View the video below and take a listen, he busted a lot of myths.





It's not that everyone who has these items in their order are moved to MY '23. Or that they definitely will not get built this year. Or production of these have stopped for the remainder of the model year. That is inaccurate.

But what is accurate is that they are now forecasting that now that the order books are closed and they know exactly how many units they have left to build in the '22 Model Year, they now are forecasting they will not have enough parts/components/microships for all the Co-Pilot 360 ordered units, the Luxury Package units and Spray-in Bedliners for every single person who ordered (and such equipped Hybrids as a result). But by the end of production for the '22 MY, they will have enough for most. But many of them may get pushed further out in this year's production as they will be building less of them along the way due to the constraints.

Production of Co-Pilot 360, Hybrids, Luxury Packages and Spray-In Bedliners continue. The production is still happening. But not everyone is going to get them, though. There will be some late purchasers who may end up having to drop these to stay in the '22 Model Year. He went through all the Long McArthur orders scheduled, showing that there are still Hybrid and Luxury Packages being produced this month. Production has not stopped, as some dealers/members have reported. But the constraints are real. He said especially ones with more semi conductor chips (Luxury Package components, like heated steering/seats/tech items, etc.). Hybrids also have more chips and affected too. Ford confirmed to him that they are experiencing Maverick chip shortages.

Dealers are probably calling to encourage some of their buyers to drop these items so their customers can get their units this year. And they make their money this year too. And this is probably why we are seeing chatter among members related to dealer calls.

And if some people drop these who do not really want them or were on the fence about them, or not really caring about these items, they will likely build sooner and they may end up having enough for all those who ordered.

Another interesting note is that Tim says you can modify orders, even though the order window is closed. BUT, you shouldn't change Trim levels because it will modify your order date and could put you at the back of the line. You also can't change to Hybrid, of course. You also cannot change if your order is locked by the Region (Priority Code 2) or if you have been scheduled.

WHAT WOULD WE ALL DO WITHOUT TIM?

Nice video...but now can you explain why ever since last Thursday, more and more hybrid orders are getting rolled over to 2023s, and Ford is NOT even going in order of who ordered them last, and instead June and July orderers are getting fucked over too? I was one of the first to break this news and got torn apart on here, Reddit, and Facebook, but now with more and more people getting notified around the nation with the same issues, I feel more validated. But that validation needs answers.

 

[Bburg]

We’ll, just what I wanted to hear. Mine was ordered in August. I will be blessed to get it by this August, since mine is a Hybrid Maverick FE, Lariat Rapid Red, co pilot 360. Just stinks since I pre traded my truck. I do have a signed bill of sale. I hope they can’t raise my price.

 

[Doc Whiskey]

Just heard @fordvideoguy (Tim Bartz) says that there is some truth about the Hybrid, Co-Pilot 360 and Luxury Package/SIBL delays. View the video below and take a listen, he busted a lot of myths.





It's not that everyone who has these items in their order are moved to MY '23. Or that they definitely will not get built this year. Or production of these have stopped for the remainder of the model year. That is inaccurate.

But what is accurate is that they are now forecasting that now that the order books are closed and they know exactly how many units they have left to build in the '22 Model Year, they now are forecasting they will not have enough parts/components/microships for all the Co-Pilot 360 ordered units, the Luxury Package units and Spray-in Bedliners for every single person who ordered (and such equipped Hybrids as a result). But by the end of production for the '22 MY, they will have enough for most. But many of them may get pushed further out in this year's production as they will be building less of them along the way due to the constraints.

Production of Co-Pilot 360, Hybrids, Luxury Packages and Spray-In Bedliners continue. The production is still happening. But not everyone is going to get them, though. There will be some late purchasers who may end up having to drop these to stay in the '22 Model Year. He went through all the Long McArthur orders scheduled, showing that there are still Hybrid and Luxury Packages being produced this month. Production has not stopped, as some dealers/members have reported. But the constraints are real. He said especially ones with more semi conductor chips (Luxury Package components, like heated steering/seats/tech items, etc.). Hybrids also have more chips and affected too. Ford confirmed to him that they are experiencing Maverick chip shortages.

Dealers are probably calling to encourage some of their buyers to drop these items so their customers can get their units this year. And they make their money this year too. And this is probably why we are seeing chatter among members related to dealer calls.

And if some people drop these who do not really want them or were on the fence about them, or not really caring about these items, they will likely build sooner and they may end up having enough for all those who ordered.

Another interesting note is that Tim says you can modify orders, even though the order window is closed. BUT, you shouldn't change Trim levels because it will modify your order date and could put you at the back of the line. You also can't change to Hybrid, of course. You also cannot change if your order is locked by the Region (Priority Code 2) or if you have been scheduled.

WHAT WOULD WE ALL DO WITHOUT TIM?

Is it still possible to change an order(drop SIBL)? Dealer says they can't because ordering is closed???

 

[Naranjita]

Nice video...but now can you explain why ever since last Thursday, more and more hybrid orders are getting rolled over to 2023s, and Ford is NOT even going in order of who ordered them last, and instead June and July orderers are getting fucked over too? I was one of the first to break this news and got torn apart on here, Reddit, and Facebook, but now with more and more people getting notified around the nation with the same issues, I feel more validated. But that validation needs answers.

NO ONE has been rolled over to MY '23 yet. This is clear, but your judgment is being clouded because this is deeply personal to you. Ford doesn't even yet know which orders will be left out at the end. Because they will still be building 10's of thousands of more units. They are still scheduling from the order pool every week. And Ford is starting to prioritize older orders over newer orders, BUT WITHIN the constraints of which they have parts. They aren't going to build an old order Hybrid with which they don't have parts over a new order EcoBoost for which they do.

 

[Naranjita]

Is it still possible to change an order(drop SIBL)? Dealer says they can't because ordering is closed???

If you're non Lux with SIBL option, yes. You're dealer is making an assumption. Unless you're scheduled or you've been locked by the region for preview. But not just because the order window is closed. Just don't change trim levels (moving to XL, Lariat). There are hundreds on here who have Hybrids who have made changes after their order window closed in November. Tim Bartz has personally done it himself.

 

[999]

Food for thought...

A 2023 delivered in November 2022 will have higher resale value than a 2022 delivered in October 2022.

 

[Naranjita]

Food for thought...

A 2023 delivered in November 2022 will have higher resale value than a 2022 delivered in October 2022.

Good point. I've often thought about this. I personally would prefer being in front of the line for '23 than the back of the line of '22 MY for this reason. So long as they end up hold pricing from '22 for carryovers. I am anticipating a significant price increase next model year. That's the wild card.

 

[Az34872]

I'm leaning more to canceling my order, going to wait a few more weeks before I decide to do it if nothing changes.

We are hanging on to our Maverick order just in case, but we went to Subaru yesterday & they are building a new car for us in Japan and expecting we will have it at the end of the month (it took a spot for a dealer car already slated for production). They said if we wanted to order a car that didn't have a slated spot, we would be looking at 2-3 months at the most. He showed me their full delivery log and Subaru is telling customers 3 month lead times and delivering what looked to me like on an average of 6-9 weeks from the day the order is placed. If your looking for a truck, that obviously won't be a good option for you, but if you can use an SUV instead, they were great and already communicating more than my dumb ford dealer ever did. Other than the obvious difference that it's not a truck, the forester we ordered has more than our Maverick was going to have in terms of features, ground clearance, head room, cabin room and still has a fairly large trunk space. We are just going to get a Thule rack and hitch to add additional camping storage. We ordered our Maverick on June 17th, it was supposed to go into production early Dec, then that date kept randomly changing. Went into production 1/3 with an eta of 1/24 and then that date kept jumping back until it went to May. We aren't in a position where we can wait much longer unfortunately with the car I currently have, so we are stuck. If Subaru can build and get a car here from Japan faster than Ford can send an already built car to me from 4 hours away, I'm going to be pretty impressed. And my family has always owned Subarus- they last forever. The one from 2002 is still doing great and has had less than $3,000 of repairs in its life. My Dad's 2011 is fantastic and has never had a major repair and my mom's 2016 with over 100k miles hasn't been in the shop once.

 

[pa-outdoorsman]

We are hanging on to our Maverick order just in case, but we went to Subaru yesterday & they are building a new car for us in Japan and expecting we will have it at the end of the month (it took a spot for a dealer car already slated for production). They said if we wanted to order a car that didn't have a slated spot, we would be looking at 2-3 months at the most. He showed me their full delivery log and Subaru is telling customers 3 month lead times and delivering what looked to me like on an average of 6-9 weeks from the day the order is placed. If your looking for a truck, that obviously won't be a good option for you, but if you can use an SUV instead, they were great and already communicating more than my dumb ford dealer ever did. Other than the obvious difference that it's not a truck, the forester we ordered has more than our Maverick was going to have in terms of features, ground clearance, head room, cabin room and still has a fairly large trunk space. We are just going to get a Thule rack and hitch to add additional camping storage. We ordered our Maverick on June 11th, it was supposed to go into production early Dec, then that date kept randomly changing. Went into production 1/3 with an eta of 1/24 and then that date kept jumping back until it went to May. We aren't in a position where we can wait much longer unfortunately with the car I currently have, so we are stuck. If Subaru can build and get a car here from Japan faster than Ford can send an already built car to me from 4 hours away, I'm going to be pretty impressed. And my family has always owned Subarus- they last forever. The one from 2002 is still doing great and has had less than 3,000 of repairs in its life. My Dad's 2011 is fantastic and has never had a major repair and my mom's 2016 with over 100k miles hasn't been in the shop once.

Sounds like you really wanted a Subaru all along. Congrats on the new ride, and hopefully it shows up on schedule as promised.

 

[Az34872]

Sounds like you really wanted a Subaru all along. Congrats on the new ride, and hopefully it shows up on schedule as promised.

Thanks! Hoping it does too!

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