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I'm surprised no one mentioned that we have been experiencing near-record-high inflation.

It's like saying you just sold your 1990 Ford F-250 for $20,000 that you paid $15,000 for in 1990. Adjusted for inflation, you would've still lost $12,194.



I'll assume "four years ago" is January 2018. Which, according to the BLS CPI calculator, equates to her paying $21,258.81 in December 2021 dollars.




It's more like she lost $5,258.81, or about 25% of the initial purchase price, adjusted for inflation, which is still great nonetheless, just not as good as may seem at face value.



Now that's a steal no matter which way you frame it. $18,655 in June of 2019 is equivalent to $20,305.26 in December 2021. You essentially gained $4,102.74 adjusted for inflation for the privilege of owning/driving a car.



I'll assume you bought the car in June of 2019 and sold it last month. $18,500 in June of 2019 is equivalent to $20,136.55 in December of 2021. So adjusted for inflation, you're in the red $1,586.55, but that's still a bargain to drive a car for three years.
I'm totally aware of all that.... But we are not allowed to talk politics here, so plz don't get me started..... Let's go.... Uh.... Elsewhere 😀
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Please invest that $16K somewhere and take out a low interest loan for the outstanding balance on the Mav. It will only cost a few hundred per year in interest and a mediocre return on $16K would get you so much more.
not exactly. we're past due by several years (using historical record) for a major stock market crash and recession. Could easily LOSE that $16k or a good chunk of it anyways instead of earning anything. Not everybody qualifies for a low interest loan and there's no reason to finance any of it if you have cash on hand to pay in full. Some people around here i suppose aren't old enough to remember what a crash looks like, so go review DOT Com bubble burst 2000/2001 and Housing/Mortgage crash 2008. This recovery growth period we are in since 2009 along with flat inflation and easy money policy have really skewed percption of how our economy has normally performed over time. That crash WILL come, just a matter of when.
 

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Get the car financed, put the $30k in an index fund. Just open an account with something like TD Ameritrade or your favorite online stock trader. Its cheap and probably lower risk than "investing" 100% in a maverick. Which is what you are doing when you buy a car.
but he gets to drive the fully paid for Maverick with no stress regardless of stock market performance, interest rates, or inflation. that's worth it's weight in Gold to some of us!
 

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OK I have a question about all these people selling their vehicles to Carmax-etc. Do they supply you with a 1099 for this & is this money treated as reportable income? If so most who would normally get a refund, are not going to get one & may have to pay in. I also ask, because a law passed here in Wisconsin in 2016 states that when you sell a vehicle, you must fill out the appropriate form that lists all the vehicle info, your info & the buyers name & address & you must disclose the amount it was sold for & submit to the DMV. I sold one of my old cars in November, not for much, but when my taxes are done next month I will have to find out if I have to add this to my reported income, since the state knows about it. The only wiggle room is the amount it was sold for you & the buyer would have to agree on a set amount in case you are asked.
 

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OK I have a question about all these people selling their vehicles to Carmax-etc. Do they supply you with a 1099 for this & is this money treated as reportable income?
Can't speak for Carmax but my sale to Carvana for $16,523 resulted in no 1099 or any other IRS reporting or form.

According to the IRS if you sell your vehicle for more than you paid for it you need to report the gain as a capital gain.

WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT TAXES WHEN YOU SELL A VEHICLE

Selling a Car for a Profit

When you sell a car for more than it is worth, you do have to pay taxes. Selling a car for more than you have invested in it is considered a capital gain. Thus, you have to pay capital gains tax on this transaction.

The amount of capital gains tax you will have to pay may vary depending on numerous variables, especially how much income you have from other sources. You do not have to pay this tax until you file your tax return for the year. See below for more information on how to report a capital gain from selling a car for a profit.
 

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So we took my GF's 2016 Kia Soul to Car Max yesterday (after I spent about 6 hrs of detailing on it) and holy $#!# !
I mean yes, it only had 29K miles on it, was in excellent condition inside and out.... but still, it was more than 4 yrs old.... and you know the whole thing about cars losing 15% the day you drive them off the lot ?
Well, with that in mind, I told my GF she needed to come up with a number she was willing to settle for, because as I told her, at Car Max, their is no haggling. If you like the price they offer, you take it. If you don't you take the car and leave.... and they won't chase you. So she had decided on $14K as her lowest number. Oh, btw, I forgot to say, she paid $18,900 for it four years ago.
So we talk to a gentleman for about 5 minutes, to give him her basic info, and he says, okay, have a seat and we will be back with a quote in about 30 minutes.
Thirty minutes later, the guy walks back over smiling, hands her a sheet of paper, and asks, what do you think ? $16,000 ! Are you freaking kidding me ? She drove that thing for 4 years, and only lost $2,900 ??? Whoo hoo :)
So in a few days when she gets her bill, she's dumping all $16K on it. That, plus the $5K she put down on it, and she will only be a few thousand away from owning it. We might try to scape a few more pennies together, to just make that happen right now ;)

LOVING the truck BTW.... as the mileage steadily climbs.. 37.3 now... then it dawned on me that I have not even checked the tire pressure. I might bump those up a few lbs too... Plus, I'm wondering if the bedcover might add 1 mpg ? Putting that on this week ;)

Anybody else score big on the vehicle they sold to get their new Maverick ???
yes the used car values have sky rocketed... I won't reiterate what I got for my 2016 Audi Q5 with 52K miles on it - sold it private party... or the 2016 Mazda CX5 with 78k miles... both were well worth the sell off! I gained enough to pay for one of the 2 First Editions trims I am purchasing - IF THE ARE EVER BUILT!! Or if available, I will take full advantage of Ford's lowest interest rate - hoping that the 0% offer will still be available at the time I purchase!
 

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Everyone is getting crazy trade values for their cars right now. And so did I. Had a 2013 Jetta GLI 6 speed manual that I picked up for $7,500. After 3 years and 50,000 miles I sold it at $6,500 to AutoLenders. They even came and picked it up on a flat bed.
With all that being said it should be a surprise dealers are marking MSRP's up on in stock units. Soon dealers will be marking up even special orders, because of limited allocations, just like that dealer in Texas. We asked Ford for 25 Mavericks for stock, we were given a couple of 2.0T's, so we got that going, which is great.
 

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Could easily LOSE that $16k or a good chunk of it anyways instead of earning anything. Not everybody qualifies for a low interest loan and there's no reason to finance any of it if you have cash on hand to pay in full.
Invest your money and you might lose it. Fair.
Dump it into a new car and you will lose it. Debt is something to be managed, not avoided.
 

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Last October I sold my 2015 Honda Fit EX (purchased 9/14) with 43,824 miles on it to Carvana for $16,523. Original MSRP was $19,025

I keep detailed records on my vehicles and here are the details for the Fit:

Total miles driven = 43824

Fees cost: 1240.00, per mile cost: 0.028
Gas cost: 3156.32, per mile cost: 0.072
Insurance cost: 4031.33, per mile cost: 0.092
Maintenance cost: 1281.29, per mile cost: 0.029
Purchase cost: 4086.00, per mile cost: 0.093
Repairs cost: 32.48, per mile cost: 0.001
Wash cost: 121.70, per mile cost: 0.003

Total cost: 13949.12, per mile cost: 0.318

Gallons: 1472.61
Miles per gallon: 29.8
Average price per gallon: 2.143

So over 7 years + 1 month the total purchase price was $4086.00 or $48.07 per month
Total of all costs per month $164.11

The Fit was the best in cost per month for ownership.

My second best was my 1998 Ford Ranger XLT SuperCab which I had for 16 years + 4 months.
Total of all costs $36177.96, per month cost $184.58

For other stories check this thread:

Trading-In/Selling Outright/Selling to Online Companies - Tell Your Story
Congrats!! so... you're either a CPA or an engineer??
 

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Can't speak for Carmax but my sale to Carvana for $16,523 resulted in no 1099 or any other IRS reporting or form.

According to the IRS if you sell your vehicle for more than you paid for it you need to report the gain as a capital gain.

WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT TAXES WHEN YOU SELL A VEHICLE

Selling a Car for a Profit

When you sell a car for more than it is worth, you do have to pay taxes. Selling a car for more than you have invested in it is considered a capital gain. Thus, you have to pay capital gains tax on this transaction.

The amount of capital gains tax you will have to pay may vary depending on numerous variables, especially how much income you have from other sources. You do not have to pay this tax until you file your tax return for the year. See below for more information on how to report a capital gain from selling a car for a profit.
I am questioning this... could a tax expert chime in?
There is no such thing as "selling your car for more than it's worth".
I've always heard that if you sell a car and "do well" on the transaction, you have just exchanged one asset (e.g., car worth $24,000) for an equal asset ($24,000 cash). Whatever you sell it for is what it is worth!!
I have also heard that depending on your state and the vigilance of the IRS, if you repeatedly sell cars for a profit, well then... you are a used car dealer.
Few years ago I bought a Jetta sportwagen TDI for $10,450 and it was totaled 11,000 miles later and the insurance company gave me $12,200. Plus tax, I got a check for $13,000. Not a taxable event for me. I has just "bought the car right".
Someone who really knows tax law help me out here!!
 
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I have also heard that depending on your state and the vigilance of the IRS, if you repeatedly sell cars for a profit, well then... you are a used car dealer.
Most (all?) DMVs limit the number of cars a private party can sell in a calendar year. I know that the limit in California is 6, but it can vary. Arizona requires private party auto sales to be notarized. This is the main reason that questionable flippers never register the cars in their own name.
 

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Crazy times we live in. I traded in my 5 y/o Titan last September for my wife's new Outback. End result: Cost me $1000/year for that truck.
 
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So we took my GF's 2016 Kia Soul to Car Max yesterday (after I spent about 6 hrs of detailing on it) and holy $#!# !
I mean yes, it only had 29K miles on it, was in excellent condition inside and out.... but still, it was more than 4 yrs old.... and you know the whole thing about cars losing 15% the day you drive them off the lot ?
Well, with that in mind, I told my GF she needed to come up with a number she was willing to settle for, because as I told her, at Car Max, their is no haggling. If you like the price they offer, you take it. If you don't you take the car and leave.... and they won't chase you. So she had decided on $14K as her lowest number. Oh, btw, I forgot to say, she paid $18,900 for it four years ago.
So we talk to a gentleman for about 5 minutes, to give him her basic info, and he says, okay, have a seat and we will be back with a quote in about 30 minutes.
Thirty minutes later, the guy walks back over smiling, hands her a sheet of paper, and asks, what do you think ? $16,000 ! Are you freaking kidding me ? She drove that thing for 4 years, and only lost $2,900 ??? Whoo hoo :)
So in a few days when she gets her bill, she's dumping all $16K on it. That, plus the $5K she put down on it, and she will only be a few thousand away from owning it. We might try to scape a few more pennies together, to just make that happen right now ;)

LOVING the truck BTW.... as the mileage steadily climbs.. 37.3 now... then it dawned on me that I have not even checked the tire pressure. I might bump those up a few lbs too... Plus, I'm wondering if the bedcover might add 1 mpg ? Putting that on this week ;)

Anybody else score big on the vehicle they sold to get their new Maverick ???
My last car was a 2007 Ford Focus with over 150K miles so I only got a few thousand for it. Back in 2009 I bought the Focus for half off for $6900 because it had hail damage; so I got half my money back after 12+ years.
 

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