F-150 Lightning EV Canceled. EREV Hybrid Lightning Replacement Announced

[First Sergeant]

All you need to know about how nutty CA is, is basically anything you buy causes cancer.
I'm shocked they don't have a law requiring buildings to post notices at exits that going outside causes cancer.

oh boy, now you've done it. They will pass a law requiring a sticker on every residence (inside the front door as you are leaving) I can see it now. CAUTION: "Walking outdoors is known to cause cancer in California" Failure to post this on all exits will result in a $500 fine. (got to make some cash on these type deals)

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[Mavster Mechanic]

Just "Legal" blackmail from a state that is essentially, broke. Extorting money is business as usual there. Could possibly be why so many large, profitable companies have left California, including Tesla. Vengeance / retribution? Are any other states suing for the same "self driving" issue? I don't know, but don't recall seeing any.

Nope.

It's because people in Teslas are falling asleep behind the wheel when on "auto-pilot" and crashing killing others.

Akin to "drunk driving".

Elon gave customers a false sense of security & safety. Safety that isn't there.

Aka "false advertising".

Aka "fraudulent".

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

If that is true, it wouldn't surprise me that Elon tells the California government what they can do to themselves. He's already moved the headquarters of Telsa, SpaceX and X out of California. Numerous other large companies have already left, like chevron, oracle, hewlett packard, charles schwab and several more.

California - makes more money than every other country in the world except China. About tied with the whole country of Japan.

 

[OleFordGuy]

California - makes more money than every other country in the world except China. About tied with the whole country of Japan.

maybe, maybe not, don't really care, one thing is obvious, they tax the crap out of the corporations and citizens that are there. The cost of living/doing business there it insanely outrageous.

 

[OleFordGuy]

Nope.

It's because people in Teslas are falling asleep behind the wheel when on "auto-pilot" and crashing killing others.

Akin to "drunk driving".

Elon gave customers a false sense of security & safety. Safety that isn't there.

Aka "false advertising".

Aka "fraudulent".

Hum, I would see it as Stupid, Negligent, Arrogant, Idiots in the drivers seat. I also find it amazing that by a huge margin the majority of all the accidents, especially major ones are in california. Where is the common sense of these drivers - regardless if it's a Telsa or any other brand. And some how in their arrogant mindsets they want to blame "something" or "someone else" for their lack of judgement and someone else to pay. Amazing.

 

[Carlitos_92]

Hum, I would see it as Stupid, Negligent, Arrogant, Idiots in the drivers seat. I also find it amazing that by a huge margin the majority of all the accidents, especially major ones are in california. Where is the common sense of these drivers - regardless if it's a Telsa or any other brand. And some how in their arrogant mindsets they want to blame "something" or "someone else" for their lack of judgement and someone else to pay. Amazing.

It's ok to not like California, but a quick internet search will correct your misleading statement.

https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state

Of course California and Texas have "the most" accidents - due to size and population, duh. If you want to look at the per capita accident rate, which is a better qualifier of driver performance, road conditions, etc. - California itself is not really remarkable - and definitely not worth criticizing.

I do agree that distracted driving is a scourge, regardless of location.

 

[First Sergeant]

Nope.

It's because people in Teslas are falling asleep behind the wheel when on "auto-pilot" and crashing killing others.

Akin to "drunk driving".

Elon gave customers a false sense of security & safety. Safety that isn't there.

Aka "false advertising".

Aka "fraudulent".

People who drive cars shouldn't drink and drive and when they do and kill someone, Ford doesn't get a lawsuit. It is the individual driving the vehicle who is responsible, as it should be. In the case of the Tesla, I have two friends who drive them. Apparently there is a huge amount of literature that comes with the vehicle, instructing all drivers to be alert, keep your hands on the wheel, as well as many other requirements. Anyone driving a Tesla and falling asleep bears responsibility for any accident they may cause. A locomotive can "drive itself (autopilot), as well as airplanes. If the airplane crashes because the pilot is napping, no one sues the aircraft manufacturer.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

People who drive cars shouldn't drink and drive and when they do and kill someone, Ford doesn't get a lawsuit. It is the individual driving the vehicle who is responsible, as it should be. In the case of the Tesla, I have two friends who drive them. Apparently there is a huge amount of literature that comes with the vehicle, instructing all drivers to be alert, keep your hands on the wheel, as well as many other requirements. Anyone driving a Tesla and falling asleep bears responsibility for any accident they may cause. A locomotive can "drive itself (autopilot), as well as airplanes. If the airplane crashes because the pilot is napping, no one sues the aircraft manufacturer.

Ford does not advertise it is ok to drink and drive.

Tesla advertises it is OK to take your hands off the wheel and for long intervals.

You've made no point here.

Locomotives cannot drive themselves in this day and age. No. No human interaction for 60 seconds and they shut down. "Dead man switch". (Maybe this has been shortened to 30 seconds now?)

Airplane manufacturers get sued frequently. And I don't think they can auto land and auto take-off. (by rules for safety, though the technology exists)

 

[Surly Old Bill]

The range extender systems seem like the best transitional vehicle type right not. It won't be very long before BEV becomes the clear economic choice for almost everyone, but until the tech catches up having a gas-fueled onboard generator for the battery module makes a lot of sense.

Note for those that aren't up to date; Range Extenders are simply an integrated gas/diesel motor that is used to recharge the battery pack. This engine does not turn the driveshaft, the electric motor(s) do that. There are several existing vehicles available with range extenders.

Typically, a vehicle equipped with a range extender is mostly charged via plugging it in at home or at a charging station, and the range extender kicks in if the battery level gets too low. There are no vehicles I know of other than locomotive engines that charge only from the gas/diesel powered generator. RE equipped vehicles CAN just rely on the onboard generator, but it costs more to operate them cuz gas is more expensive per mile that electricity, and the maintenance on all those moving parts, and hot running temps and exhaust.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Ford does not advertise it is ok to drink and drive.

Tesla advertises it is OK to take your hands off the wheel and for long intervals.

You've made no point here.

Locomotives cannot drive themselves in this day and age. No. No human interaction for 60 seconds and they shut down. "Dead man switch". (Maybe this has been shortened to 30 seconds now?)

Airplane manufacturers get sued frequently. And I don't think they can auto land and auto take-off.

Lockheed L1011 says, Hold my
Designed in the 60's produced until 1984. The Lockheed L1011 TriStar had
FAA certification for Cat-IIIc autolanding, which approved the TriStar for completely blind landings performed by the aircraft's autopilot in zero-visibility weather
As long as the airport was cat 3 equipped.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

While I do believe technology for planes to auto takeoff and land exists, I don't believe passenger planes are allowed to.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Agree.

Any EREV needs to be plugged in every night (or while working) to make the most sense.

It's called an "EV" and not a PHEV.
It's not a hybrid.

It's a battery EV and the gas engine should be considered "emergency backup" and not used daily IMHO.

However, with a smaller battery pack you will be plugging in more frequently than a full BEV.

With BEV a lot of people plug in once a week or so.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

While I do believe technology for planes to auto takeoff and land exists, I don't believe passenger planes are allowed to.

Addition The landing airport had to be equipped for category 3 landings.
Lockheed L1011 was a passenger plane certified for cat. 3 landings.
the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar was renowned for its advanced systems, being the first widebody airliner certified for Category IIIc autoland, allowing for completely blind, "zero-zero" landings (zero visibility/height) using its sophisticated Avionics Flight Control System (AFCS) and Direct Lift Control (DLC). This made it incredibly capable in bad weather, significantly reducing diversions, a major technological leap for its time.
Now let's bring this up to current day general aviation

Agree.

Any EREV needs to be plugged in every night (or while working) to make the most sense.

It's called an "EV" and not a PHEV.
It's not a hybrid.

It's a battery EV and the gas engine should be considered "emergency backup" and not used daily IMHO.

However, with a smaller battery pack you will be plugging in more frequently than a full BEV.

With BEV a lot of people plug in once a week or so.

Emergency backup is completely false.
Clark county NV had a fleet of Chevy Gen 1 Volts they were never plugged in.
My old neighbor bought one at TNT auction the county had. It was appliance white. I had a brown gen 1 at the same time. As far as I know he never had a problem with it.
The engine in the Chevy Volt was not an "emergency backup only" component; it was a fully integrated range extender that automatically engaged to power a generator and, in some circumstances, assist in directly driving the wheels. This design allowed the car to function as an electric vehicle with an extended range, eliminating "range anxiety" for long trips. The system was designed for routine, continuous use on longer journeys, not just for "emergency" situations, providing a seamless driving experience regardless of the battery's charge level.

 

[Carlitos_92]

Lockheed L1011 was a passenger plane certified for cat. 3 landings.
the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar was renowned for its advanced systems, being the first widebody airliner certified for Category IIIc autoland, allowing for completely blind, "zero-zero" landings (zero visibility/height) using its sophisticated Avionics Flight Control System (AFCS) and Direct Lift Control (DLC). This made it incredibly capable in bad weather, significantly reducing diversions, a major technological leap for its time.

Tell you what. Require the same level of training for passenger vehicle drivers as is required for commercial (or even general) aviation pilots, and this becomes not only relevant, but autonomous driving starts to sound like a better idea.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Tell you what. Require the same level of training for passenger vehicle drivers as is required for commercial (or even general) aviation pilots, and this becomes not only relevant, but autonomous driving starts to sound like a better idea.

There's a big reluctance with getting pilots to use the safety features of their aircraft. Too Many Cirrus pilots have died, due to their reluctancy to pull the ballistic chute. Pulling the chute will sometimes be an automatic write off of the aircraft especially on the two-seater high wing cirrus. I think some of it is overconfidence in the Pilot's ability.
Cirrus aircraft (specifically newer models like the Vision Jet and G7+ SR series) can self-land using the Safe Return Emergency Autoland system, which allows passengers to activate it with a button to navigate to the nearest suitable airport, avoid hazards, land autonomously, and bring the plane to a complete stop, even shutting down the engine for safe exit. This Garmin-powered system takes over all flight controls, communicates with ATC, and handles landing procedures, providing a major safety net if the pilot is incapacitated. That includes applying the brakes once the plane is landed.

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