Facelift 2025 Maverick Hybrid AWD is a lot quicker/faster than 2024 FWD Model (acceleration figures by Car and Driver)

[kevinmccune]

The electric motor alone has 232 ft lb of torque.

You’re getting hung up on the stated power ratings. You know how back in the 60s and 70s manufacturers would lie about the horsepower totals for insurance purposes?

I’m not sure why Ford chooses not to state a combined torque rating, understanding it isn’t as simple as combining max torque from ICE and electric.

We know you’ll never drive a hybrid. However with the new HF55 they significantly closed the gap on power between the hybrid and ecoboost.

nice torque,enjoy don't question,you want a Mustang go get one.one morning I watched one of the hot tempered femanazis ready to cut me off at an intersection,I was in my 4 cyl manual Nissan,I watched and at the right time shut er down.sometimes its like Von Richtofen said" Its not the machine,its the man in the machine"! Baron Richtofen had a short but illustrious Carrier as a fighter ace,till a lucky potshot took him out Folks you all have nice trucks,the moral is don't race at stoplights.(or fly too low) best

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[Escapologist]

I remembered about this gizmo, just in case this fire is running out of gasoline

Using weight of truck and driver and some gas as 4100lb, and ET of 15.3 at 90mph, get 245HP putting in the speed and 225HP putting in the ET

http://wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

Where I have thought previously from stated HF55 motor upgrades and capabilities and the lameass figures given for the gas engine only, that added together they should be somewhere around ~220HP equivalent.

 

[Darryl]

Yeah for 10 minutes then the battery goes soft and your left with the 2.5’s 150 hp.
As long as I got gas in the tank I can climb and haul azz.
I’ve seen Mavbrids haul it up off the line just like my Eco.
But then what. ?
Don’t you have to Re-gen first to get some from 50 to 60 say six or seven times like in a mix of switchbacks ?

I did finally re-test drive a Mavbrid, I was impressed to say the least. Very quick off the line. Absolutely !
I was glad to get back in my Eco.
I just don’t like the transmission feel. Feels like a golf cart, no gears. Yucky feeling.

To each his own right !

Zoom Zoom !
Oh crap that’s Mazda :’P

Truth be told, Ive never heard of a power drop with extended acceleration even when towing uphill. It's probably less powerful than the EcoBoost, but I believe you keep what you have. I'm guessing that it probably combines the powertrain mix to keep the power constant. If there was a significant drop in output, this test would have caught it. I believe. You are correct in that the CVT is what it is. If you hate the lack of shifts, it will aggravate you. My cousin had a hybrid camry several years ago and simply couldn't get used to the CVT characteristics. He said it felt like the transmission was slipping. So he traded it for a non hybrid Camry after just a few months. The drone does aggravate some people along with the lack of shifts. Some CVT actually mimic trans shifts to pacify folk. The Maverick gives simulated shifts in sports mode for that reason. But since it locks out electric mode, you lose a lot of the fuel savings. Anyway, I think the CVT characteristics is a legitimate complaint if it's something you can't endure. But the loss of power with extended acceleration isn't.

 

[Darryl]

Wow, that is a really out there post. Who floors it for 10 minutes? Also if you did that the Hybrid would be far ahead of the Ecoboost due to the higher top speed. The hybrid never runs out of battery, it is always charging when the engine is running.

I guess these folks floor it for a long time . But even they don't complain of power loss

 

[Darryl]

Yeah I hear ya about flooring it but what about long climbs where your on the gas ?

I talked to one hybrid guy up here that switched to the Eco because he wanted more hp and tq. The Eco made him a happy camper.

Still I can’t wrap my head around the fact that it’s total output electric and gas together is about the same as the 3 cylinder Bronco sport I had that couldn’t reach 200 Hp total.

A 2.5 Ltr normally aspirated should put out closer to 180 on its own. Then adding the 40 ish HP of the electric would get near 220 hp.

The 2016 Ford Transit Connect that I owned with the 2.5-liter engine produced 169 horsepower and 171 lb-ft of torque.
Why is the more modern 2.5 only 151 Hp ?

And every one says the hybrid is faster. Ext the very least reached the Transit connects level would think.
I got an average of 24 mpg in that.

On a quarter mile maybe but not where I run,
Not in traffic at 75 MPH or even 65
The hybrid ice should have

The Hybrid engine is an Atkinson cycle engine which is significantly more fuel efficient but a lot less powerful at low RPM. If used in normal vehicles, it is always boosted either with a super charger or turbo. But they work well with hybrids because the electric motor instant torque more than makes up for it. The CVT allows the engine to rev to its most powerful speed and stay there as long as your foot is on the accelerator

 

[710-oil-614]

Truth be told, Ive never heard of a power drop with extended acceleration even when towing uphill. It's probably less powerful than the EcoBoost, but I believe you keep what you have. I'm guessing that it probably combines the powertrain mix to keep the power constant. If there was a significant drop in output, this test would have caught it. I believe. You are correct in that the CVT is what it is. If you hate the lack of shifts, it will aggravate you. My cousin had a hybrid camry several years ago and simply couldn't get used to the CVT characteristics. He said it felt like the transmission was slipping. So he traded it for a non hybrid Camry after just a few months. The drone does aggravate some people along with the lack of shifts. Some CVT actually mimic trans shifts to pacify folk. The Maverick gives simulated shifts in sports mode for that reason. But since it locks out electric mode, you lose a lot of the fuel savings. Anyway, I think the CVT characteristics is a legitimate complaint if it's something you can't endure. But the loss of power with extended acceleration isn't.

Hybrids don’t use a traditional CVT

 

[LSchicago]

I guess these folks floor it for a long time . But even they don't complain of power loss

Even TFL didn't floor it for 10 minutes straight. Lol.

 

[Darryl]

Even TFL didn't floor it for 10 minutes straight. Lol.

True. But they put it under the max stress that it's likely to encounter for an extended time in real life by climbing that extended steep grade with the maximum load. And the Maverick handled it acceptably. To be honest, id feel less comfortable driving an EcoBoost at wide open throttle for 10 full minutes with the turbos getting a Max workout than with the 2.5 and E-CVT motors getting a Max workout.

 

[ice445]

True. But they put it under the max stress that it's likely to encounter for an extended time in real life by climbing that extended steep grade with the maximum load. And the Maverick handled it acceptably. To be honest, id feel less comfortable driving an EcoBoost at wide open throttle for 10 full minutes with the turbos getting a Max workout than with the 2.5 and E-CVT motors getting a Max workout.

This exactly is why the hybrid is a better choice if you're going to tow regularly, although it's not necessarily immune to high temperatures. I think I read on here somewhere that some of the temps that the truck doesn't show you by default can be logged. Some of the hybrid components can get very toasty during a test like that, but as long as it doesn't derate I guess you're fine. The Ecoboost almost certainly will. I've seen coolant temp of 217-220 just climbing a steep grade for a while (to be fair its a pure torture test, 15 miles at sub 40mph speeds with barely any airflow). Most gas engines struggle with this kind of situation due to low airflow over the radiator and intercooler, combined with low RPM from the transmission trying to keep the engine efficient, which often means the water pump is turning slowly as well. That's one thing that annoys me about most traditional automatic programming, it will sit there beating on the engine with huge throttle angle and low RPM, sitting on the edge of detonation, just to keep the RPM down to save a small amount of fuel, lol. And we can't forget trying to keep the airflow shutters as closed as possible 24/7..

Tow mode helps a ton, but I suspect even that won't save you towing something at max load on a hot day.

With that said, 0-60 is kind of a useless metric regardless, a lot of it has to do with how power is applied from a standstill, which is less to do with power or torque these days and more to do with torque management, grip, and gearing. Horsepower (assuming equal weight) is the important metric for acceleration, and the ecoboost has a lot more of it. And it certainly feels like a little rocket. Not that the new hybrid is slow by any means, but getting focused on "only" the .7 or 1 second difference or whatever ignores that you'll be left in the dust on an on ramp because the rate of acceleration is just a lot less once the electric motor loses efficiency. Big torque applied over a very short RPM value or with super high gearing isn't amazingly useful after a point. Maybe I'm just spoiled comparing everything to my 480HP Mustang GT, but the Ecoboost when put to the wood still puts a smile on my face up to about 80mph lol

 

[Darryl]

This exactly is why the hybrid is a better choice if you're going to tow regularly, although it's not necessarily immune to high temperatures. I think I read on here somewhere that some of the temps that the truck doesn't show you by default can be logged. Some of the hybrid components can get very toasty during a test like that, but as long as it doesn't derate I guess you're fine. The Ecoboost almost certainly will. I've seen coolant temp of 217-220 just climbing a steep grade for a while (to be fair its a pure torture test, 15 miles at sub 40mph speeds with barely any airflow). Most gas engines struggle with this kind of situation due to low airflow over the radiator and intercooler, combined with low RPM from the transmission trying to keep the engine efficient, which often means the water pump is turning slowly as well. That's one thing that annoys me about most traditional automatic programming, it will sit there beating on the engine with huge throttle angle and low RPM, sitting on the edge of detonation, just to keep the RPM down to save a small amount of fuel, lol. And we can't forget trying to keep the airflow shutters as closed as possible 24/7..

Tow mode helps a ton, but I suspect even that won't save you towing something at max load on a hot day.

With that said, 0-60 is kind of a useless metric regardless, a lot of it has to do with how power is applied from a standstill, which is less to do with power or torque these days and more to do with torque management, grip, and gearing. Horsepower (assuming equal weight) is the important metric for acceleration, and the ecoboost has a lot more of it. And it certainly feels like a little rocket. Not that the new hybrid is slow by any means, but getting focused on "only" the .7 or 1 second difference or whatever ignores that you'll be left in the dust on an on ramp because the rate of acceleration is just a lot less once the electric motor loses efficiency. Big torque applied over a very short RPM value or with super high gearing isn't amazingly useful after a point. Maybe I'm just spoiled comparing everything to my 480HP Mustang GT, but the Ecoboost when put to the wood still puts a smile on my face up to about 80mph lol

The good thing about the Hybrid is the CVT. Although it takes the fun out of acceleration and performance in general, it's great as far as FUCTION because the engine simply stays at the most efficient rpm under load. So with the hybrid the electric motor gets things moving off the line with it's maximum torque meanwhile, the relatively weak engine with it's narrow power band ramps up to the rpm where it produces max power and stays there while the CVT continuously "shifts" as the truck picks up speed. Of course the 250 HP of the EcoBoost gives better acceleration for passing than the 190 of the hybrid. But it's not as much as the numbers would seem to indicate due to the action of the CVT as well as the fact that the electric motor provides a quick boost. The power meter on the instrument cluster lets us know if we're running on electric, or gasoline. And it shows the relative contribution of each in real time. I notice that when cruising on level ground at highway speeds, it's running completely on the gas engine. But when it encounters a hill or when accelerating a bit, the electric motor seems to supply the extra push. I'm assuming because it's more fuel efficient than using extra engine power. When nailing it. The engine goes to its max rpm and the motor is at its max too. It's efficient and provides good passing acceleration. But admittedly it's ZERO excitement. It's like heat from an electric space heater vs a furnace. Both will heat the room. And the electric heater may be more efficient. But no one sits and watches the space heater. . I love the fuel efficiency and even the performance of my hybrid. But I'd be lying if I said that it produces the same enjoyment as an EcoBoost would even if the performance was exactly equal. But at the end of the day. Function wins for me. If I ever get an EV, I'll love the efficiency and performance. But I'll miss the sounds and sensations of the engine and transmission.

 

[710-oil-614]

The good thing about the Hybrid is the CVT. Although it takes the fun out of acceleration and performance in general, it's great as far as FUCTION because the engine simply stays at the most efficient rpm under load. So with the hybrid the electric motor gets things moving off the line with it's maximum torque meanwhile, the relatively weak engine with it's narrow power band ramps up to the rpm where it produces max power and stays there while the CVT continuously "shifts" as the truck picks up speed. Of course the 250 HP of the EcoBoost gives better acceleration for passing than the 190 of the hybrid. But it's not as much as the numbers would seem to indicate due to the action of the CVT as well as the fact that the electric motor provides a quick boost. The power meter on the instrument cluster lets us know if we're running on electric, or gasoline. And it shows the relative contribution of each in real time. I notice that when cruising on level ground at highway speeds, it's running completely on the gas engine. But when it encounters a hill or when accelerating a bit, the electric motor seems to supply the extra push. I'm assuming because it's more fuel efficient than using extra engine power. When nailing it. The engine goes to its max rpm and the motor is at its max too. It's efficient and provides good passing acceleration. But admittedly it's ZERO excitement. It's like heat from an electric space heater vs a furnace. Both will heat the room. And the electric heater may be more efficient. But no one sits and watches the space heater. . I love the fuel efficiency and even the performance of my hybrid. But I'd be lying if I said that it produces the same enjoyment as an EcoBoost would even if the performance was exactly equal. But at the end of the day. Function wins for me. If I ever get an EV, I'll love the efficiency and performance. But I'll miss the sounds and sensations of the engine and transmission.

The hybrid doesn’t use a CVT….

Also - horsepower isn’t what accelerates a vehicle, torque is.

 

[Darryl]

The hybrid doesn’t use a CVT….

Also - horsepower isn’t what accelerates a vehicle, torque is.

An E-CVT is a CVT. That's what the CVT stands for. The E simply specifies the TYPE of CVT. It uses an electric motor and a planetary gear to vary the ratio vs the belt/chain and pulleys of the conventional CVT. And acceleration is accomplished by the combination of torque and horsepower. That's why both are included when listing the specs of an engine. Horsepower itself includes the relationship torque and rpm . Horsepower = (Torque x RPM) /5252.

 

[710-oil-614]

An E-CVT is a CVT. That's what the CVT stands for. The E simply specifies the TYPE of CVT. It uses an electric motor and a planetary gear to vary the ratio vs the belt/chain and pulleys of the conventional CVT. And acceleration is accomplished by the combination of torque and horsepower. That's why both are included when listing the specs of an engine. Horsepower itself includes the relationship torque and rpm . Horsepower = (Torque x RPM) /5252.

Exactly. Torque is how fast you get up to speed. Horsepower is how fast you can go.

You can also call it the Powersplit transmission or simply the HF45/HF55. Calling it a CVT is not correct.

 

[kevinmccune]

True. But they put it under the max stress that it's likely to encounter for an extended time in real life by climbing that extended steep grade with the maximum load. And the Maverick handled it acceptably. To be honest, id feel less comfortable driving an EcoBoost at wide open throttle for 10 full minutes with the turbos getting a Max workout than with the 2.5 and E-CVT motors getting a Max workout.

shouldn't hurt it with synthetic oil and temperature discipline,one thing you learn with turbo diesels is to downshift when EGTS get too high( you don't even have to have a "pyrometer " to see this

 

[WJOHNM]

This actually explains a lot. I couldn’t put my finger on it but now it makes sense. I came from driving a two point 0 all-wheel drive and honestly the straight line from my 2025 lariat all-wheel-drive is so strong. I don’t miss the 2.0 engine at all. I had never driven the previous year hybrid so I had nothing to compare it against.

I drove a 22 XLT FX4 for 3 years 2.0 eco and was happy with the power, now have a 25 Lariat Hybrid and thought it was faster it just pulls when hard acceleration is applied only getting on parkways, the only time my gas pedal sees the floor, does anyone care about a second, I don't that's for sure. Me and my buddy's growing up always had hot rods where did we spend all our time and money in the garages trying to keep them running. I want reliability, when I push that button or turn the key I want it to start and go!!

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