2024 awd or 2025 hybrid?

[Colliedogg]

That's what my boss/friend of 36 years told me. I have always gotten what I need, compromised for my family. Family first. But the kids are grown and on their own. Guess I need to do me now.
Thanks.

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[Mabcim]

I wouldn't say the 2.0 is "without issues". It has plenty well documented over it's life so far. Especially the coolant leaks happening between cylinders which again, is being addressed in the refresh (but nothing will truly fix that terrible design anyways and its present on almost every single ecoboost).

My understanding is that the coolant issue was fixed in 2020. I had that coolant leak potential 2.0 in my ‘17 Fusion. Our ‘20 Escape had the 2.0 with the fix.

Here is the TSB for reference:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10162071-0001.pdf

 

[Montana]

My understanding is that the coolant issue was fixed in 2020. I had that coolant leak potential 2.0 in my ‘17 Fusion. Our ‘20 Escape had the 2.0 with the fix.

Here is the TSB for reference:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10162071-0001.pdf

Yea, but the fix wasn't really a fix. More like a patch or a band-aid. From my understanding, the new design solves the main issue which was adding space between the cylinders for more gasket.

 

[Mabcim]

Yea, but the fix wasn't really a fix. More like a patch or a band-aid. From my understanding, the new design solves the main issue which was adding space between the cylinders for more gasket.

The TSB is certainly a patch. I thought they added more space in the ‘20. But could be wrong. Either way, our ‘25s will be good.

 

[Packer Bill]

This is a massive upgrade to the 2.0. We finally get dual injection.

I 100% agree with this statement. This one reason for me to consider replacing my MY22 with a MY25!!

 

[DoLoJo]

The questions I have about hybrids is how long does the hybrid battery last, how long is the warranty on the battery? With all this money you save on gas do you have to spend those savings on a new battery? I've never entertained a ev or hybrid so these are genuine questions.

I know I’m going to get ripped apart for this by the hybrid fans out there, but please keep in mind this is one person’s personal experience. You asked, so I’ll answer.

Twenty years ago, I bought a brand new 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid (because the only other hybrid option at the time was the Prius, which looked like a spaceship from a bad sci-fi movie). Wanted a hybrid because I had a 50+ mile daily commute in Western Colorado where gas prices are 50% higher than the rest of the country. It came with an 8-year, 80,000 mile warranty on the hybrid battery.

At first it was great, I averaged 52 mpg the first year. Year two was down to 47 mpg. Year 3 down to 42. Year 4 down to 37, where it settled in until year 6, when it dropped to 34.

During year 6 I was on a trip and noticed a sudden loss of power, with the car struggling to make it up some rather moderate rolling hills. Took it to the dealership immediately, where they informed me that the hybrid battery needed to be replaced. I had 87,000 miles on the car, so it was barely out from under warranty. The cost of the battery plus labor surpassed the KBB value of the car, so I traded it in and have sworn off hybrids ever since. I know the technology has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, but once bitten twice shy. And battery fatigue (and the accompanying mpg decline) is real. Just something to keep in mind.

 

[BeardedMarine]

I know I’m going to get ripped apart for this by the hybrid fans out there, but please keep in mind this is one person’s personal experience. You asked, so I’ll answer.

Twenty years ago, I bought a brand new 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid (because the only other hybrid option at the time was the Prius, which looked like a spaceship from a bad sci-fi movie). Wanted a hybrid because I had a 50+ mile daily commute in Western Colorado where gas prices are 50% higher than the rest of the country. It came with an 8-year, 80,000 mile warranty on the hybrid battery.

At first it was great, I averaged 52 mpg the first year. Year two was down to 47 mpg. Year 3 down to 42. Year 4 down to 37, where it settled in until year 6, when it dropped to 34.

During year 6 I was on a trip and noticed a sudden loss of power, with the car struggling to make it up some rather moderate rolling hills. Took it to the dealership immediately, where they informed me that the hybrid battery needed to be replaced. I had 87,000 miles on the car, so it was barely out from under warranty. The cost of the battery plus labor surpassed the KBB value of the car, so I traded it in and have sworn off hybrids ever since. I know the technology has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, but once bitten twice shy. And battery fatigue (and the accompanying mpg decline) is real. Just something to keep in mind.

I have a friend who is a drivability tech for ford and he has the same feelings for hybrids. Especially when he replaces the battery in one and saw the bill.

 

[inline_five]

I know I’m going to get ripped apart for this by the hybrid fans out there, but please keep in mind this is one person’s personal experience. You asked, so I’ll answer.

Twenty years ago, I bought a brand new 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid (because the only other hybrid option at the time was the Prius, which looked like a spaceship from a bad sci-fi movie). Wanted a hybrid because I had a 50+ mile daily commute in Western Colorado where gas prices are 50% higher than the rest of the country. It came with an 8-year, 80,000 mile warranty on the hybrid battery.

At first it was great, I averaged 52 mpg the first year. Year two was down to 47 mpg. Year 3 down to 42. Year 4 down to 37, where it settled in until year 6, when it dropped to 34.

During year 6 I was on a trip and noticed a sudden loss of power, with the car struggling to make it up some rather moderate rolling hills. Took it to the dealership immediately, where they informed me that the hybrid battery needed to be replaced. I had 87,000 miles on the car, so it was barely out from under warranty. The cost of the battery plus labor surpassed the KBB value of the car, so I traded it in and have sworn off hybrids ever since. I know the technology has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, but once bitten twice shy. And battery fatigue (and the accompanying mpg decline) is real. Just something to keep in mind.

My wife has a 2010 Prius on original battery. Mpg started dropping about three years ago. Up until then it was good. Fwiw the new battery for it is $2k from the dealer or aftermarket supplier and is a drop in replacement taking at most two hours.

The other positives of the hybrid like electric power steering, a/c etc make the vehicle wonderful to drive IMO. Smooth, quiet, civilized and lots of torque on the low end.

Personally I can't wait for an affordable EV Maverick.

 

[Darnon]

Honda hybrids had notoriously bad batteries up until about 10 years ago and lost class action lawsuits about their rapid deterioration.

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