What are your thoughts on these points against owning a hybrid truck?

[DougK]

Just to note but in my experience the autostop/start on the hybrid is barely perceptible vs the ecoboost because of how smooth the electric motor engages.

I drove a Mini with the auto stop/start and it was intensely annoying, especially in heavy stop-go traffic. On my hybrid Maverick I can't tell when the engine is stopping and starting unless I pay really close attention.. it's much better.

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[Glen Baker LLC]

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I drove a Mini with the auto stop/start and it was intensely annoying, especially in heavy stop-go traffic. On my hybrid Maverick I can't tell when the engine is stopping and starting unless I pay really close attention.. it's much better.

Doug,
I see you own a hybrid.
Was your Mini a hybrid also?

 

[DougK]

Was your Mini a hybrid also?

the Mini is not hybrid, my sister-in-law's..
so every start required the starter motor to kick over, with a bump and a grind..
turned off the auto-stop on there..

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

the Mini is not hybrid, my sister-in-law's..
so every start required the starter motor to kick over, with a bump and a grind..
turned off the auto-stop on there..

I was just wondering if you were comparing the operation of hybrid with hybrid?

 

[sanford12]

Can't find where a Mavericks EV battery has caught fire. Insurance went up by 220 bucks for my hybrid 2025 XLT that probably has more to do with the lower safety rating of the Maverick than the 2024 SEL Jetta. No mention of house insurance from my agent. Start stop on the the hybrid isn't a factor at all as it's the electric motor that get's you going.
A lot of the BS comes from those with a hybrid axe to grind looking for anything negitive even if it's not true. I getting more than the stated mpg. 43mpg for a tankful is the lowest I've got so payback time will also go down.

Just buy what's right for you. A hybrid was the right choice for me.

 

[NHRider]

I stumbled across this video while looking at Maverick reviews, and I think some of it is really good, and some of it doesn't quite land for Mavericks.



First off, watching the video does have me questioning things like maintenance costs with an engine + hybrid system, and longevity + replacement costs of the battery.

But I think the author missed a big one on the price points. Let me explain:

For simplicity I'm going to discuss the 2025 AWD + 4K towing configurations, because that's what I want to actually buy. The hybrid Maverick is more expensive than the ecoboost. And it will pay for it's $2,200 101A equipment group in roughly 5 years based on the fuel savings on the window sticker. But the video fails to mention that the 5 year savings is against a mythical average truck, not the ecoboost. And the ecoboost looses about 200 dollars a year vs that mythical truck economy. So we're going to find out how long you need to own the truck for just the fuel savings to make the hybrid break even.

Starting with an Ecoboost with the AWD + 4K towing:
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This truck has a MSRP of $30,550 and a "slope" of +$200 per year in additional fuel costs vs the average.

Next up the hybrid:
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This truck has a MSRP of $32,350 and a "slope" of -$500 per year in saved fuel costs vs the average.

Plotting them gives:

So your actual break even point for buying a hybrid (maintenance and all else being equal) is just under 3 years. I think that counts as "not bad."

I need to tow a trailer so I went with the Eco Boost for the increased HP and TQ bs the hybrid.
If I was logging 15k+ miles a year, needed AWD and 4K towing not needed the hybrids increased cost vs fuel economy tradeoff seems worth it.

 

[JohnCondren1933]

Hybrid-electric drives are mechanically much simpler than standard auto (hydraulic planetary gear clutch pack transmission), no clutch packs or wear items except the shaft bearings, change the coolant & flush the cooling system & a hybrid drive will outlast the engine, unlike a standard transmission.

Hybrid = never buying a starter motor again, you have the most overbuilt starter motor in you hybrid drive motor-generator, regenerative braking recharging the battery = a fraction of the wear on mechanical brake pads & rotors. In fact if you use the hybrid trainer screen & let yourself roll to a gradual stop under light braking pressure, you can stop your vehicle without ever using the mechanical brake pads & rotors.

Camping trips, run the AC on a gallon of gas all night off the large hybrid traction battery, key turned on, the engine will automatically start when the traction battery needs to recharge & stop when charged.

I stumbled across this video while looking at Maverick reviews, and I think some of it is really good, and some of it doesn't quite land for Mavericks.



First off, watching the video does have me questioning things like maintenance costs with an engine + hybrid system, and longevity + replacement costs of the battery.

But I think the author missed a big one on the price points. Let me explain:

For simplicity I'm going to discuss the 2025 AWD + 4K towing configurations, because that's what I want to actually buy. The hybrid Maverick is more expensive than the ecoboost. And it will pay for it's $2,200 101A equipment group in roughly 5 years based on the fuel savings on the window sticker. But the video fails to mention that the 5 year savings is against a mythical average truck, not the ecoboost. And the ecoboost looses about 200 dollars a year vs that mythical truck economy. So we're going to find out how long you need to own the truck for just the fuel savings to make the hybrid break even.

Starting with an Ecoboost with the AWD + 4K towing:
PDF link

This truck has a MSRP of $30,550 and a "slope" of +$200 per year in additional fuel costs vs the average.

Next up the hybrid:
PDF link

This truck has a MSRP of $32,350 and a "slope" of -$500 per year in saved fuel costs vs the average.

Plotting them gives:

So your actual break even point for buying a hybrid (maintenance and all else being equal) is just under 3 years. I think that counts as "not bad."

 

[MidMoBob]

My 2025 Maverick is the third hybrid vehicle my wife and I have owned. We also have a Honda CRV hybrid and recently gave our daughter our old Toyota Camry hybrid. I guess I'm not scared of hybrids.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

One of the big downfalls I've READ about is that a hybrid combines the problems of ICE with the problems of EV, making more potential problems. I have not experienced this; but the Mav is the first hybrid I've owned.
A straight EV has the least amount of problems, followed by ICE, and hybrids have the most (reported).

And there is a certain segment of the buying population that is overly concerned about the very rare occurrence of fires. Here's the stats compiled by insurance companies (they have a vested interest, not a socio-political one):

 

[NedF]

I have Eire. Read your policy! If you are paying 600/year you have the lowest level of coverage available. Mine in 1100/year and almost 800/ year for my 2005 Mustang. But I carry really high liability because I want INSURED against lawsuits.

Don't get me started on this... the guy who T-boned me years ago had the lowest liability coverage possible. I was seriously hurt (life changing). About 2 years after the accident, we went to dispute resolution and he had to have a separate lawyer represent him over and above the insurance company lawyer just in case my settlement was more than his coverage as he would then have to be sued by the insurance company.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

Well reason I asked is you said you'd only drive an ICE, suggesting you didn't know what a hybrid is. A hybrid is an ICE vehicle. We put gas in them just like you and don't ever need to charge them. It just uses a larger battery as an accumulator to hold excess energy vs non-hybrid using a small 12v only.

After about 25 years of use they've pretty much perfected the drivetrain.
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Toyota only, perfected their drivetrain. Imatators are a distant second, still having some issues.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

One of the big downfalls I've READ about is that a hybrid combines the problems of ICE with the problems of EV, making more potential problems. I have not experienced this; but the Mav is the first hybrid I've owned.
A straight EV has the least amount of problems, followed by ICE, and hybrids have the most (reported).

And there is a certain segment of the buying population that is overly concerned about the very rare occurrence of fires. Here's the stats compiled by insurance companies (they have a vested interest, not a socio-political one):

I am living proof of those statistics. My hybrid has been back in the shop more times than my last 4 new vehicles and only 1 year 5 months new. Gasoline forever.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

I am living proof of those statistics. My hybrid has been back in the shop more times than my last 4 new vehicles and only 1 year 5 months new. Gasoline forever.

is it in the shop for electric drivetrain issues, or for gas drivetrain issues?

 

[JetFixxxer]

One of the big downfalls I've READ about is that a hybrid combines the problems of ICE with the problems of EV, making more potential problems. I have not experienced this; but the Mav is the first hybrid I've owned.
A straight EV has the least amount of problems, followed by ICE, and hybrids have the most (reported).

And there is a certain segment of the buying population that is overly concerned about the very rare occurrence of fires. Here's the stats compiled by insurance companies (they have a vested interest, not a socio-political one):

So far owning a hybrid my cost is a lot lower than my ICE. I was paying 280 - 300 a month for fuel for my F150. Now I'm around 120 - 160 a month. Cost of an oil change on the Hybrid is slightly lower.

I already have 1.5k for the ESP price (10yr/100k) on the Maverick so there is that cost. However before selling my F150 I had new tires installed and that was around 1.2k. Mathing is hard, but to me the Maverick is costing me less to own and operate.

 

[inline_five]

One of the big downfalls I've READ about is that a hybrid combines the problems of ICE with the problems of EV, making more potential problems. I have not experienced this; but the Mav is the first hybrid I've owned.
A straight EV has the least amount of problems, followed by ICE, and hybrids have the most (reported).
And there is a certain segment of the buying population that is overly concerned about the very rare occurrence of fires. Here's the stats compiled by insurance companies (they have a vested interest, not a socio-political one):

Just an FYI, that fire chart used grossly inaccurate data and has been debunked numerous times as blatantly false.

With current average gas costs ($3), the difference between a hybrid Maverick and a similarly shaped EV with average kwh costs ($0.17 delivered, after tax/fees) is around $0.01 per mile. That is one cent per mile.

This will vary somewhat by location but outside the coastal areas or areas with ultra cheap electricity, is pretty accurate for the majority of the country. And assumes all charging is at home, not on the road. At $0.50/kwh supercharging, you're at $0.20/mile for an EV and $.078/mile for the Maverick, 2.5x the cost.

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