Fuel economy hybrid vs turbo

[Ryom]

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[HeyBales]

So how are we calculating cost per mile? My last fill was 15.6 gallons for 520 miles. At $2.64 a gallon that is .079 for an EB. In 30k miles I have only had two tanks when I did not get 500 or more miles. 85 percent two lane roads at about 60 mph. I might also add that with my 22 EB I have not had any "sleep" messages...

Enjoy what you have.

Well - many forget to add in the extra registration fee they may have for a hybrid.
That adds to the cost per mile.
And if they bought extended warranty because of the extra electronics not in the EB, and wouldn't have bought one for that truck- that should be added in.

Then you can get into the whole maintenance cost differences - but now too complex.

 

[Darryl]

I don't know how I missed this originally. This is the least informed take I've ever seen on MTC!

Well - many forget to add in the extra registration fee they may have for a hybrid.
That adds to the cost per mile.
And if they bought extended warranty because of the extra electronics not in the EB, and wouldn't have bought one for that truck- that should be added in.

Then you can get into the whole maintenance cost differences - but now too complex.

In many places hybrid registration is no different than pure gasoline. Buying a. Extended warranty is strictly voluntary and unnecessary since the Hybrid specific components are covered for longer than the EcoBoost (8/100,000 vs 5/60,000) paranoia isn't a legitimate expense. Maintenance costs? What extra maintenance? An extra quart of coolant when the cooling system is serviced at 150 000 miles? Otherwise there's no difference. In fact, if you go strictly by the vehicle's oil life monitor, the oil change interval for the hybrid is typically longer. Brakes typically last a decent amount longer.

 

[Darryl]

Please do not take this as a criticism or a knock on hybrids. I initially was shopping for a hybrid but changed my mind for various reasons. In the top picture the total miles is 10.8 and electric is 5.9. That leaves 4.9 as ICE miles. Total MPG is 58 mpg but is it actually 58 mpg for the ICE or is the computer dividing gas used by total miles? I fit is total miles then the ICE is actually using the equivalent of gas for 11 mpg. I am just trying to understand how the numbers work. Thanks if you can help me with it.

It's just distance traveled divided by fuel consumed. On a VERY SHORT trip of only a couple of miles the results can be skewed super high or super low. Ir I start the trip when the hybrid battery is just about to start the engine, and the engine is running for most of the trip, it will be absurdly low because the freshly started engine will be running for most of that distance. But if I start when the engine just shut off when the battery was fully charged, it will be absurdly High because the engine will only run for a very short portion of that different. So those numbers are strictly entertainment in my opinion . But as the trip becomes longer and the driving is very moderate I'll get an excellent number. Example: if I drive the 8 miles from my house to my mother's House at 45 mph. I'll easily exceed the EPA rated 40 mpg, perhaps approaching 50 because the vehicle will be running on electric a good portion of those miles. On the other hand if I'm driving a steady 75mph, I might get 33 or so. Of course the Engine is running almost all the time. Again mpg is factoring total distance vs fuel burned. At the end of the day I'm enjoying the fact that under most conditions, the amount of fuel I'm putting in the tank is a lot less than it would be if I was driving the EcoBoost. The only time it is close is under highway driving at relatively high speeds.

 

[Ryom]

Please do not take this as a criticism or a knock on hybrids. I initially was shopping for a hybrid but changed my mind for various reasons. In the top picture the total miles is 10.8 and electric is 5.9. That leaves 4.9 as ICE miles. Total MPG is 58 mpg but is it actually 58 mpg for the ICE or is the computer dividing gas used by total miles? I fit is total miles then the ICE is actually using the equivalent of gas for 11 mpg. I am just trying to understand how the numbers work. Thanks if you can help me with it.

The exact same trip in sport mode (ICE runs anytime the vehicle is moving, battery supplements acceleration) I'll see 32-38MPG.

 

[HeyBales]

In many places hybrid registration is no different than pure gasoline. Buying a. Extended warranty is strictly voluntary and unnecessary since the Hybrid specific components are covered for longer than the EcoBoost (8/100,000 vs 5/60,000) paranoia isn't a legitimate expense. Maintenance costs? What extra maintenance? An extra quart of coolant when the cooling system is serviced at 150 000 miles? Otherwise there's no difference. In fact, if you go strictly by the vehicle's oil life monitor, the oil change interval for the hybrid is typically longer. Brakes typically last a decent amount longer.

I actually think maintenance will remove some costs for the hybrid, not add them, compared to the EB.
That's why it gets too complex with that.

The extra warranty I merely mentioned because I've seen many posts about drivers adding it when they never have in the past, and only because it's a hybrid, and wanting over 100K warranty.

So if that's you (not you you) - it's an extra cost compared to EB and should be factored in.
The extra cost for hybrid registration is in many places, and more coming for sure - some annoyingly extra - but it counts if it does for expense per mile.

I'm just saying - there's more than just the cost of fuel for hybrids, and a couple of them are simple calcs.
Like my 24MY was a simple extra - 1500 for the hybrid. And that almost pushed me over the edge of not being a good deal and saving money. I'll save more when gas goes up or I have to drive more, which I'm sure price increase will - if it doesn't but the registration fee does increase more - I'm losing money on the hybrid without extra things counted.

 

[Darryl]

I actually think maintenance will remove some costs for the hybrid, not add them, compared to the EB.
That's why it gets too complex with that.

The extra warranty I merely mentioned because I've seen many posts about drivers adding it when they never have in the past, and only because it's a hybrid, and wanting over 100K warranty.

So if that's you (not you you) - it's an extra cost compared to EB and should be factored in.
The extra cost for hybrid registration is in many places, and more coming for sure - some annoyingly extra - but it counts if it does for expense per mile.

I'm just saying - there's more than just the cost of fuel for hybrids, and a couple of them are simple calcs.
Like my 24MY was a simple extra - 1500 for the hybrid. And that almost pushed me over the edge of not being a good deal and saving money. I'll save more when gas goes up or I have to drive more, which I'm sure price increase will - if it doesn't but the registration fee does increase more - I'm losing money on the hybrid without extra things counted.

I really don't understand why they charge extra registration for a hybrid. It still uses gas and pays gasoline taxes. And we use quite a bit of gasoline, just not as much as the non Hybrid. I think it's just a cash grab. A pure evil or even a plug in hybrid I can understand a REASONABLE fee. But from what I'm seeing, some of the registration fees are significantly higher than the average person pays in fuel taxes.

 

[Cancunbadlands]

IDK about money
#Tremor is my “weekend car” and I am enjoying every mile... Of course, being retired every day is the weekend. That said my DD is my BS BL, both with the fabulous 2.0l 250hp turbo

 

[CMYSIX]

156 horsepower HYBRID, Turbo 250 horsepower, I had a frontier with the 2.6 L 4cyl, 156 HP and it was a dog!

 

[Master Blaster]

156 horsepower HYBRID, Turbo 250 horsepower, I had a frontier with the 2.6 L 4cyl, 156 HP and it was a dog!

Hybrid is 191hp. You didn't factor in the electric motor part of the drivetrain. Plus it has a lot less stress on the gas engine to make it last a lot longer and has a better transmission than the EB.

 

[CMYSIX]

Hybrid is 191hp. You didn't factor in the electric motor part of the drivetrain. Plus it has a lot less stress on the gas engine to make it last a lot longer and has a better transmission than the EB.

The CVT is in no way better then the 8 speed auto, go ahead and tow something.

 

[Master Blaster]

The CVT is in no way better then the 8 speed auto, go ahead and tow something.

If you say so. BTW its an eCVT, not a CVT. A totally different beast. It has 1/3 of the parts in an 8spd, no clutches to wear out, and is a lot smoother since there are no gearshifts. That also translates into somewhat less drivetrain shock and longer life. Its also rated for the same load as the 8spd, so towing is a non-issue.

 

[Darryl]

I pay 411 more a year for my ecoboost than the Silverado I traded. anything in Virginia with an EPA average over 25 mpg is charged more. Hybrids I don't know but EV is 131.38/year. They pass this instead of raising the gas tax. It seems fair actually. The hybrid uses the road as many miles as a Silverado and buys 1/3 the gas. There is a way to avoid the HUF ,drive a vehicle with a gross weight over 10k lbs. There is an option to let the DMV put a device in your car and charge you per mile for registration and HUF. No thanks.

In Florida vehicles pay by WEIGHT, so a Silverado, Ranger, F150 etc will always pay more for a license plate than a Maverick . The extra charge for the EV Accounts for the fact that they pay no fuel taxes. But since a hybrid still uses gasoline, as of now, they don't charge extra for hybrids.

 

[Darryl]

I could get the device for mu Mustang that gets driven less than 1k a year and pay little registration fee. I won't do it. The theory used here is you are charged for average mileage use of roads plus the added gas tax to pay for them. I personally agree with me paying more instead of charging a higher gas tax to drive up the cost of everything shipped.

In Florida the tags are significantly less for a car that's either 20 or 25 years old. Not sure exactly which. I think the assumption is that they aren't driven as much. I don't think there's a perfect way to tax an EV unless they tax by miles driven. And although I'm not one for paranoia, I just don't want the government to keep track of how much I drive. They probably know stuff that's a lot more personal that I should probably be more concerned about. But we humans are always rational about the things we get worked up about . I would be more comfortable if an EV driver was given the choice to pay the extra EV fees by monthly installment or lump sum because when we drive our gas vehicles, we pay as we go, so we don't have to come up with a year's worth of taxes all at once. ... Just thinking that's all

 

[Art Vandelay]

The CVT is in no way better then the 8 speed auto, go ahead and tow something.

The Maverick does not use a belt driven CVT, that's a common misconception. It uses an e-CVT which is a completely different transmission with planetary gears and they have proven to be very reliable even for towing.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about since you don't even know the difference between a CVT and an e-CVT. They only thing the two share in common is the name.

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