Cold Starts and Multiple Hybrid Engine starts

[rk06382]

The hybrid motor is the starter correct. So it too can wear out. Just a more expensive starter to replace. As to transmissions, last 1 I had issues with was a 1987 Plymouth. I really don"t care if you love hybrids or ICE only. I had my reasons for not buying 1. #1 The only hybrid I found available MY 2024 was 2k towing, moonroof (never will have another 1), BAP (was trading in a BAP SIlverado that I hated cleaning the rims), higher price than I was willing to spend. #2 I don't like the auto start stop of the ICE I didn't want it as the normal operation. #3 My insurance, not yours or Geico or anybody else, my agent said in my area insurance was higher because of thefts of hybrids in the area and the repair cost when they are recovered. May not be true but I have been with the agent 25 years so no reason to lie to me. #4 I AM OLD AND DON'T LIKE CHANGE. My phone is 4.5 years old, we don't stream (have cable and digital rabbit ears), my laptop is 15 years old and runs windows 7 pro. I like what I know to work and don't like new technology. I know hybrids have been around awhile. I am not saying YOUR decision is wrong but every single thread on this forum hybrid owners will denigrate EB people for NOT buying hybrids. I personally hope more people buy hybrids the state need the $100/ year tax on them. BTW I pay an extra $11 per year for the EB because it is over 25 mpg combined.

My 2025 Maverick Lariat Hybrid replaced a 1990 Ford Taurus LX wagon with 165k. It needed a new muffler.

I just replace my seven year old cell phone last year because it would not run the newer apps like FordPass. Not enough memory.

I had to buy a new Windows 11 laptop because Windows 10 support ends in October 2025.
I have a 1990 Ford Ranger XLT 2.9L supercab, I purchased new in Jan 1990. It has 130k & I changed the oil every 3k until I switched to synthetic oil. Now I change every 5K. It is my backup vehicle.

The hardest wear on an ICE engine is idle. With a legacy ICE the engine is on all the time even at a stop light.

Now I get a hybrid that shut the engine off so much that it has a FAKE engine noise. I drove .5 mile yesterday without using the ICE. I can see a 10k between oil changes because the ice is off when it is not needed for power.

I am still trying to wrap my head around that. Since I am retired I drive only about 4k per year. I might not need to change the oil for a couple years.

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[Art Vandelay]

My 2025 Maverick Lariat Hybrid replaced a 1990 Ford Taurus LX wagon with 165k. It needed a new muffler.

Did your 1990 Taurus LX have the digital dash? My Grandfather bought a brand new 1988 Taurus LX brand new with every option and as a teenager I love that digital dash in those cars. It was the most futuristic thing I'd seen.

I had to buy a new Windows 11 laptop because Windows 10 support ends in October 2025.

Huh? Microsoft is allowing everyone to update from Windows 10 to Windows 11 for free.

 

[Art Vandelay]

When I said I didn't buy a hybrid because of the repeated start stop of the gas engine, just like I disable it on the EB, I was roasted for it. Years of dealing with hydraulic pumps, valves, and servo motors led me to know that startup when the most damage occurs to any hydraulic pump such as a ICE.

And yet there are plenty of tear town videos of the 1st gen Prius after 10 years of use or even the first and second gen Escape Hybrid's that show how durable these systems are. Everyone acts as if Ford, Toyota, etc don't do any testing during their development. I've never been one to call anyone names for anything they choose to purchase so I don't care what anyone else drives but I love my Hybrid and I'm not worried about it at all. Plus if you're criticizing anyone who bought a Hybrid isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Art Vandelay]

It Turns Out, Hybrids Are Really Hard On Engines | Watch

This Info should keep you guys from running out of spec engine oil In your Hybrid.

I bet I get flamed for this PMSL

Why would you get flamed for this? I see it as a good FYI for us Hybrid owners that we should be sure to use OEM recommended oil and do the oil changes at recommended intervals.

 

[Cherokee]

Why would you get flamed for this? I see it as a good FYI for us Hybrid owners that we should be sure to use OEM recommended oil and do the oil changes at recommended intervals.

Most every time someone posts something about oil a digital fight starts. The must change at 3,000 mile guys don’t want to hear and most likely don’t believe I got a half million miles with 10,000 mile service intervals. A Buddy did better than I using roach oil at 10k intervals, same work, same motor. But ! I think my foot was a bit heavier,


If I had a Mavbrid I’d do a real close comparison with the FoMoCo recommended oil and that Mobil 1 Hybrid stuff.
Just to know.
I’d prolly still let my Ford dealer do it their way.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

It Turns Out, Hybrids Are Really Hard On Engines | Watch

This Info should keep you guys from running out of spec engine oil In your Hybrid.

I bet I get flamed for this PMSL

 

[Ryom]

Simply pointing out basic mechanics

Another poster very logically pointed out the "wear" fallacy you made though, it's not wrong to point out the flaws in argument being put forth. Depending on the use case, the hybrid engine can easily do 3/5ths of its mileage in electric mode, meaning that in the right use case the engine will have 60% less wear at the same mileage/hours as a pure ice with start/stop disabled would. They very well may be getting more wear per engine hour, but there are far fewer engine hours to worry about.

If you're going to put forth your own reasoning on this, it becomes fair game to pick at. Counter-arguments aren't attacks.

 

[HeyBales]

If I had a Mavbrid I’d do a real close comparison with the FoMoCo recommended oil and that Mobil 1 Hybrid stuff.
Just to know.
I’d prolly still let my Ford dealer do it their way.

Hybrid stuff meets the specs.

 

[Ryom]

No way you will drive 60% on battery in a Maverick

You're not technically wrong, it was 64.7%

 

[HeyBales]

No way you will drive 60% on battery in a Maverick unless you drive very little. " The Ford Maverick Hybrid's electric-only range is not fixed and varies depending on several factors, but it generally can travel between 10 and 40 miles on electric power alone. "

Oooooo - now it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. or quoting sources that don't.

There is no "electric power alone" travel range, like a PHEV has. Which the Maverick doesn't have a model of.

60% EV usage entirely possible - not driving very little, driving city will get you there, with tons of miles.
Sadly this is making it look like you do have an anti-hybrid agenda since you have the info on it very wrong and use that to speak against it.

oh yeah - old video, good advice.
One mistake though - doesn't take operating temps to evaporate condensate water or gas.
You been able to read any of the many posted oil analysis done to see how many had gas and water is in the oil?

 

[rk06382]

Did your 1990 Taurus LX have the digital dash? My Grandfather bought a brand new 1988 Taurus LX brand new with every option and as a teenager I love that digital dash in those cars. It was the most futuristic thing I'd seen.


Huh? Microsoft is allowing everyone to update from Windows 10 to Windows 11 for free.

No, The Taurus SW speedometer was analog. It flaked off about 20 years ago and started reading 10 mph over. IE: If you were going 55mph it would read 65mph.

I had to purchase a Garmin gps w/LTM to get the correct speed. After 20 years it died. I would have needed to purchase a new gps. Good new: Both key fobs to unlock the doors still works with the original batteries after 30 years.

My old i7 Laptop was purchased in October 2017 with Windows 10. When Windows 11 came out, Window Update said the hardware would not support Win 11. My new i9 laptop boots up to login in under 20 seconds.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

The fact that you were a teenager in 1988 tells me much. I remember my brothers 56 Buick. It had push button transmission, LOL.

I was a teenager when that 56 came out!!!

 

[Cherokee]

And again.
2008 Taco with the 2.7 Ltr 4 banger
I towed a 2000 lb 5x8 Iridium trailer for more than 150,000 miles and always had around 800 pounds in the back.
In the central Florida heat and humidity.
That engine made it to 528,000 miles with Mobil 1 and 10,000 mile oil change intervals.

Had a buddy, same work same engine.
At 530,000 he had more compression and he also did 10,000 mile oil change intervals
BUT ! He used Jiffy Lube Roach oil,
Non synthetic out of the overhead barrels.

Dumping perfectly good oil and throwing away a still very clean oil filter at 3,000 miles when the oil still has more than 60% of its oil additive package intact is fine with me. Because it’s not my money.

 

[Cougar70]

I've watched this video a couple of times and one of the last comments he makes is "with proper maintenance, the reliability of a hybrid vehicle doesn't need to be a major concern".

I think someone mentioned previously about different use case scenarios.
Meaning that someone who drives their car for five minutes to go to work and then five minutes to go home and does all short local trips and doesn't change their oil often because they mistakenly think they're okay because they don't have a lot of miles on the engine or oil, can do a lot more damage to their engine than an engine that gets started and stopped a lot but gets up to temp and driven longer distances and the oil gets changed per conditions.

I know this because in the mid 70's the shop across from where I lived, worked on a mail carrier's car and after tear down, you could not tell what some of the internal engine parts were because they had sooooo much sludge when it failed. I'll have to dig up the pics I took of that engine.
If he had changed his oil on a time based model, he would have been in better shape.

MavStangVa, in one of your earlier threads you talked about researching what vehicle that you were going to buy and you narrowed it down to an ecoboost Maverick, which is fine.
Guess what, when I was doing my research, I was steering myself away from a hybrid Maverick because I was cautious about hybrids and about CVT transmissions and was looking more at an ecoboost.

After doing more checking I found that the 2.5L engine had a long solid history in other vehicles, the hybrid system had been matured in multiple previous vehicles and I also found out that the CVT was an eCVT and didn't have pullies or belts and was similar to what was in a Prius but made heavier duty.
Coupled with the much better gas mileage, it fit 'my needs', which doesn't say it fits your or anyone else's needs.

If I was towing regularly, or hauling heavy stuff regularly or wanted the power to have more driving fun, I would have gotten an ecoboost.
Different use case scenarios.

And as for that video, after watching multiple times, for my use scenario, it actually made me feel more comfortable with the long term use of the Maverick with the hybrid system.
I drive 30+ miles to and from work daily, along with other trips and in the five weeks I've owned mine, so I get the engine up to it's normal operating temp. Another thing that I haven't heard much about, is that many hybrid vehicles, mine included, have the electric motors handling a decent amount of the load on the vehicle while driving, thereby putting a little less load on the engine.
I've already put over 2K miles and if I keep up that rate, I will have over 20K miles after a year.
At the end of a year, I will probably have changed my oil three times, with another at a year (if I continue to put miles on at this rate) and it will all be Mobil 1 synthetic. I do my own oil changes and after shopping around, between oil and highly rated Wix filter, the oil change will $37, which is very cheap insurance.
I may also start doing oil analysis after 10K miles, to clarify how well the engine is doing.

If I had the ecoboost, I would actually change the oil more often due to the extra stresses of a smaller displacement engine coupled with a turbo putting extra pressure on engine components. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but going back to use case scenarios.

If someone has a vehicle that introduces more (or less) stress on the engine components, when maintained properly, as the person in the video states: "the reliability of a hybrid vehicle doesn't need to be a major concern".
That statement could be applied to most engines (barring poorly designed or manufactured engines), whether hybrid or ecoboost.
If you maintain them for the use case, then they will last longer.

I know this post is a bit long but just to add another point of view.

 

[Bradley]

wow 40K AND NO ISSUES. I bought a F-150 in 2014 changed oil when the oil monitor was at 15 to 25%, put 155K on it in 9 years and NO problems. Not 1 part failure!

Excellent. I love it when there are no issues and we can just drive and enjoy. My FLM products have been good to me.

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