Fully Electric Maverick EV hint dropped by Ford??

[Garbone]

All electric seems extremely limiting. Watch PLANET OF THE HUMANS to realize that "green energy" is anything but green

Not really. I think that as long as you do not exceed the rated range every day it is just dandy. Keep it under 50k miles a year and all is good.

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[huunvubu]

money sucking government will never stop collecting gas tax, but will surely add miles driven tax.

So you believe that maintaining and/or building roads/bridges costs $0 dollars. Those gas tax dollars are to pay for maintaining the roads that get worn down by driving on them and to rebuild them when necessary.

Here in Texas (especially the DFW area) where the state government hates taxes they have not increased the state gas tax for over 20+ years and have no money to build any new roads so they have now allowed "for profit" companies to build toll roads. What used to be freeways are now pay-ways where the prices continue to increase year upon year. Unlike what toll roads used to be where they were tolls until paid off the new ones never will be paid off and have built-in price increases going on forever.

Going to my Ford dealership in Frisco TX on Hwy 121 cost $4.39 for a 29.8 mile round trip or 14.7c per mile.

ASK THE EXPERTS: WHY ARE TOLL RATES ADJUSTING?

Toll rates will increase an average of a penny per mile, from 19 to 20 cents, effective July 1. This helps us repay the $9.5 billion we’ve borrowed to construct, operate and maintain the high-quality of our toll roads

It’s no longer a statewide practice to deem roads toll-free after they’ve been paid off, the North Texas Transportation Authority says on its website.

If anything, tolls will keep going up rather than go away. According to the NTTA website, toll rates increase “every year at 2.75%, compounded and are reset in odd-numbered years.”

So there you have it, By not having a "gas tax" you have to borrow billions and then charge to use the what used to be a freeway.

Funny how that "money sucking government" actually produces a benefit compared to letting the supposed free market manage the same asset.

 

[Darnon]

Looked into a Maverick Hybrid as a second vehicle to replace our Explorer. At $3.35 a gallon our Explorer and C10 just sit and having a BEV with a truck bed and tow rating would be great. Now I noticed a BEV Mav may be just a year or so away I may just hold out on our next vehicle.

More than 'just a year or so'. The platform the Maverick is built on isn't designed with a BEV in mind. I would guess no earlier than 2025 when the Escape is supposed to get redesigned.

 

[huunvubu]

I am not actually trying to be critical. I seriously do wish someone could help me understand why people do this (I believe it to be common). Unless my car was very unreliable or a collectors item, I paid for it and intend to use it and enjoy it - not preserve it for the next owner, who will probably just trash it anyway.

Those who are set in their beliefs are set in their beliefs and will not change period. No amount of discussion or reasoning will change their minds.

Like you I would never rent for any long trip and purchased my Maverick Hybrid XLT specifically for all travels including long vacation trips. I went with the XLT over the XL specifically to get the "Cruise Control" and the extra comfy cloth seats for long range travel.

Your statement "Unless my car was very unreliable or a collectors item" is valid but if I had an unreliable vehicle I would be replacing it ASAP. Which I did when my 1998 Ford Ranger XLT SuperCab that I had for 16+ years became unreliable . Also if I had a collectors vehicle (which I don't) I would have a second vehicle for everyday/vacation trips.

I maintain and know my vehicles and trust them for short and long trips. I do not trust rentals for long trips and as you state by renting you are basically increasing your TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) on your primary vehicle.

 

[Old Ranchero]

So you believe that maintaining and/or building roads/bridges costs $0 dollars. Those gas tax dollars are to pay for maintaining the roads that get worn down by driving on them and to rebuild them when necessary.

Here in Texas (especially the DFW area) where the state government hates taxes they have not increased the state gas tax for over 20+ years and have no money to build any new roads so they have now allowed "for profit" companies to build toll roads. What used to be freeways are now pay-ways where the prices continue to increase year upon year. Unlike what toll roads used to be where they were tolls until paid off the new ones never will be paid off and have built-in price increases going on forever.

Going to my Ford dealership in Frisco TX on Hwy 121 cost $4.39 for a 29.8 mile round trip or 14.7c per mile.

ASK THE EXPERTS: WHY ARE TOLL RATES ADJUSTING?

Toll rates will increase an average of a penny per mile, from 19 to 20 cents, effective July 1. This helps us repay the $9.5 billion we’ve borrowed to construct, operate and maintain the high-quality of our toll roads

It’s no longer a statewide practice to deem roads toll-free after they’ve been paid off, the North Texas Transportation Authority says on its website.

If anything, tolls will keep going up rather than go away. According to the NTTA website, toll rates increase “every year at 2.75%, compounded and are reset in odd-numbered years.”

So there you have it, By not having a "gas tax" you have to borrow billions and then charge to use the what used to be a freeway.

Funny how that "money sucking government" actually produces a benefit compared to letting the supposed free market manage the same asset.

Somehow you managed to entirely miss the point I was making even though you quoted me in your reply. Site Admins don't want political dominated discussion here so I'll just correct your impressions and leave it at that: As more EVs hit the road, less gas tax is collected, while they get a "free ride" contributing nothing to building and maintaining existing roads. In CA where I lived until 2017 EVs also got free use of express lanes and sometimes additional purchase rebates on top of Federal rebates. States started noticing the loss of $ from gas taxes from EVs and looked for a way to make things "fair" and keeping "user pays" philosophy. I believe Oregon was 1st to debate miles driven tax on EVs. Then they decided since EVs would eventually replace existing vehicles, they would just apply the miles driven tax to ALL vehicles and even wanted to install black boxes to automatically read and bill your use. They are envisioning a future situation of gas taxes to continue falling to 0 when ICE vehicles are banned completely but roads still require funding.

So my comment was addressing the reality that they will not make it "fair" by just adding a mileage tax to EVs, but double tax ICE vehicles at the same time with GAS AND mileage taxes instead of 1 or the other. I won't go into how gov't chooses to spend said collected taxes, but could give many examples of them not using collected taxes for the specified purpose and re- allocating to pay for their other agendas and neglecting fixing roads at all levels is actually a deliberate failure to prioritize spending existing income streams for that purpose on other things.

I'm out

 

[huunvubu]

Somehow you managed to entirely miss the point

money sucking government will never stop collecting gas tax

Your point was very clear and using "money sucking government" is a political statement by itself.

My point is that "money sucking government collecting gas tax" has a valid and useful purpose as shown by what happened here in Texas.

Not sure how fact based statements are political unless it offends your political view about the "money sucking government" post which according to you should not have been posted in the first place.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

All electric seems extremely limiting. Watch PLANET OF THE HUMANS to realize that "green energy" is anything but green

Electric power will someday be limited. When gas tax revenue drops, a mileage tax will certainly be used. Decarbonization alone! will increase the demand for copper by 600% by 2030!!!! Perhaps a copper tax will be "needed" to lower demand. Perhaps in 2044 instead of going to grand canyon tourists will be going to XYZ 44 mile diameter 2 mile deep copper open pit mine. Aaarrrggghhh! How about a "PIT TAX"!

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Not really. I think that as long as you do not exceed the rated range every day it is just dandy. Keep it under 50k miles a year and all is good.

Aaarrrggghhh! Perfect! 50k miles per year can be easily controlled by $2/mile "over milage fee" added to reg milage "fee" (It's not a tax).

 

[Garbone]

Well had the conversation over lunch with the boss about our next vehicle. We will try to wait for full Bev Maverick. F150 is too much for a 2nd vehicle.

Watched the factory assembly video yesterday it appears there is space for a bigger pack under the truck. Hoping for 2023.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Well had the conversation over lunch with the boss about our next vehicle. We will try to wait for full Bev Maverick. F150 is too much for a 2nd vehicle.

Watched the factory assembly video yesterday it appears there is space for a bigger pack under the truck. Hoping for 2023.

I am making hybrid do until Either a 2nd plug in battery is available AND is approved to be installed in my 2022. OR a suitable replacement is available. Currently visualized as either a PHEV or BEV that that can recharge by solar and provide backup for at least two days of my highest annual home power.

 

[Garbone]

Well just realized that with the new ultra grifter bill an XL AWD f150 Lightning will come in less that a fully loaded Lariat Maverick after the $12k tax credit.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Well just realized that with the new ultra grifter bill an XL AWD f150 Lightning will come in less that a fully loaded Lariat Maverick after the $12k tax credit.

Wow! I stopped looking at tax credit vehicles when I realized I do not have enough income tax to be offset by the credit for it to be useful to me. Does the new ultra grifter bill still keep the tax credit dieing off when manufacturer builds his 200,000 the vehicle or have they changed that?

 

[Garbone]

Wow! I stopped looking at tax credit vehicles when I realized I do not have enough income tax to be offset by the credit for it to be useful to me. Does the new ultra grifter bill still keep the tax credit dieing off when manufacturer builds his 200,000 the vehicle or have they changed that?

Grifting at its best. It is a true credit/rebate now so you get it even if you do not pay taxes and there is no Units produced limit. However, since the UAW hates Tesla the cars need to be Union made to get the full credit.

 

[sseiler]

So you believe that maintaining and/or building roads/bridges costs $0 dollars. Those gas tax dollars are to pay for maintaining the roads that get worn down by driving on them and to rebuild them when necessary.

Here in Texas (especially the DFW area) where the state government hates taxes they have not increased the state gas tax for over 20+ years and have no money to build any new roads so they have now allowed "for profit" companies to build toll roads. What used to be freeways are now pay-ways where the prices continue to increase year upon year. Unlike what toll roads used to be where they were tolls until paid off the new ones never will be paid off and have built-in price increases going on forever.

Going to my Ford dealership in Frisco TX on Hwy 121 cost $4.39 for a 29.8 mile round trip or 14.7c per mile.

ASK THE EXPERTS: WHY ARE TOLL RATES ADJUSTING?

Toll rates will increase an average of a penny per mile, from 19 to 20 cents, effective July 1. This helps us repay the $9.5 billion we’ve borrowed to construct, operate and maintain the high-quality of our toll roads

It’s no longer a statewide practice to deem roads toll-free after they’ve been paid off, the North Texas Transportation Authority says on its website.

If anything, tolls will keep going up rather than go away. According to the NTTA website, toll rates increase “every year at 2.75%, compounded and are reset in odd-numbered years.”

So there you have it, By not having a "gas tax" you have to borrow billions and then charge to use the what used to be a freeway.

Funny how that "money sucking government" actually produces a benefit compared to letting the supposed free market manage the same asset.

Word!

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Grifting at its best. It is a true credit/rebate now so you get it even if you do not pay taxes and there is no Units produced limit. However, since the UAW hates Tesla the rs need to be Union made to get the full credit.

Dang! May need to get pencil out. If I remember right the price of the lightning with the big battery was within 7k of nearly same capacity of power walls. I am getting close to ordering my solar panels. Might workout better to buy two of the smaller versions (= still have backup while I drive to town?).

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