UAW Hermosillo

[rich42]

Does anyone know if the upcoming UAW/Ford talks will affect the Maverick plant in Hermosillo, Mexico?

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[NoVaJimmy]

Does anyone know if the upcoming UAW/Ford talks will affect the Maverick plant in Hermosillo, Mexico?

I'm pretty sure the majority of the reason Ford has plants in Mexico in the first place is to avoid the exorbitant costs associated with UAW labor so it's doubtful there will be any issues.

 

[Bob The Builder]

The Hermosillo plant is unionized with SINTRAFORD, not UAW.

 

[fossil]

people wrongly assume that assembly line work is easy . when Ford went to the now traditional assembly line method he was plagued by employee turnover resulting in high training costs and quality issues.

In January 1914, Henry Ford started paying his auto workers a remarkable $5 a day. Doubling the average wage helped ensure a stable workforce and likely boosted sales since the workers could now afford to buy the cars they were making. It laid the foundation for an economy driven by consumer demand.

As of Jul 19, 2023, the average hourly pay for an UAW in the United States is $18.54 an hour.

 

[whizwart]

UAW isn't really in Mexico. Hermosillo last I heard was under SINTRAFORD, a union affiliated with the
Confederation of Mexican Workers (CTM). CTM is sort of like the AFL-CIO of Mexico. I say last I heard because other car plants have been breaking away from CTM as they view it as captured by management (It's very Hoffa-era)

So, short answer, not directly. Dunno if maybe there's stateside supply partners that are in the mix.

 

[rich42]

OK, thanks guys. Appreciate the speedy replies. Cheers!

 

[Scott Asheville]

people wrongly assume that assembly line work is easy . when Ford went to the now traditional assembly line method he was plagued by employee turnover resulting in high training costs and quality issues.

In January 1914, Henry Ford started paying his auto workers a remarkable $5 a day. Doubling the average wage helped ensure a stable workforce and likely boosted sales since the workers could now afford to buy the cars they were making. It laid the foundation for an economy driven by consumer demand.

As of Jul 19, 2023, the average hourly pay for an UAW in the United States is $18.54 an hour.

That average wage quote is misleading. First because the UAW has a two tier wage system - probably something they'll be fighting over during this fall's strikes. Second because UAW members get SERIOUS profit sharing checks. Third because the benefits are astonishingly generous.

I'm always suspicious when somebody uses the word "average". They're usually selling you a false narrative.

 

[fossil]

That average wage quote is misleading. First because the UAW has a two tier wage system - probably something they'll be fighting over during this fall's strikes. Second because UAW members get SERIOUS profit sharing checks. Third because the benefits are astonishingly generous.

I'm always suspicious when somebody uses the word "average". They're usually selling you a false narrative.

you can google your own info or have a talking head spoon feed ya, your choice

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

As of Jul 19, 2023, the average hourly pay for an UAW in the United States is $18.54 an hour.

Wonder how that number changes when you take out the 250,000 out of 400,000 non-Big 3 workers. People fail to realize that the UAW covers a LOT more than just Big 3 assembly line workers.

HRG

 

[Mav_RICK]

That average wage quote is misleading. First because the UAW has a two tier wage system - probably something they'll be fighting over during this fall's strikes. Second because UAW members get SERIOUS profit sharing checks. Third because the benefits are astonishingly generous.

I'm always suspicious when somebody uses the word "average". They're usually selling you a false narrative.

You are right $18 is quite misleading. Of course that figure comes from Zip Recruiter. Actually it’s more like $30 plus profit sharing. 65k a year on average.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2019/09/27/gm-strike-mary-barra-pay-uaw-wages/3776066002/

 

[GPSMan]

I don't understand the point of Unions in this modern age.

They are NOT good for the worker.
They are NOT good for the employer.

Why should the employee with 40 years of experience take home the same pay as the employee with 4 days of experience? Yet that's how it works. Same job, same pay.

I work in a major unionized manufacturing plant here in the good old USA. You're probably thinking the guy with 40 years will make more because he "worked up the ladder" to a higher classification over those 40 years. Nope.

The 18 year old in entry level makes $30/hr his first day on the job. The guy with 40 years worked up to plant foreman and gets $33. The foreman is asked to do extra duty and says what the hell for? I'm making $3 more than the kid BEFORE Taxes are deducted.
B.S.

 

[RR - All the way]

people wrongly assume that assembly line work is easy . when Ford went to the now traditional assembly line method he was plagued by employee turnover resulting in high training costs and quality issues.

In January 1914, Henry Ford started paying his auto workers a remarkable $5 a day. Doubling the average wage helped ensure a stable workforce and likely boosted sales since the workers could now afford to buy the cars they were making. It laid the foundation for an economy driven by consumer demand.

As of Jul 19, 2023, the average hourly pay for an UAW in the United States is $18.54 an hour.

I don't understand the point of Unions in this modern age.

They are NOT good for the worker.
They are NOT good for the employer.

Why should the employee with 40 years of experience take home the same pay as the employee with 4 days of experience? Yet that's how it works. Same job, same pay.

I work in a major unionized manufacturing plant here in the good old USA. You're probably thinking the guy with 40 years will make more because he "worked up the ladder" to a higher classification over those 40 years. Nope.

The 18 year old in entry level makes $30/hr his first day on the job. The guy with 40 years worked up to plant foreman and gets $33. The foreman is asked to do extra duty and says what the hell for? I'm making $3 more than the kid BEFORE Taxes are deducted.
B.S.

I suggest you move down here to the South and you would not have to fool with a union. Of course, you probably would start at less than what McDonalds pays. And OF COURSE. the non-union shop would recognize your talents and seniority and pay you a lot more. Of course, if there was a layoff, your seniority would not mean crap and you would be the first to go. I have never been in a union but I will stand with them before I stand with the 20 million dollar a year CEO. My two cents....

 

[Mav_RICK]

I don't understand the point of Unions in this modern age.

They are NOT good for the worker.
They are NOT good for the employer.

Why should the employee with 40 years of experience take home the same pay as the employee with 4 days of experience? Yet that's how it works. Same job, same pay.

I work in a major unionized manufacturing plant here in the good old USA. You're probably thinking the guy with 40 years will make more because he "worked up the ladder" to a higher classification over those 40 years. Nope.

The 18 year old in entry level makes $30/hr his first day on the job. The guy with 40 years worked up to plant foreman and gets $33. The foreman is asked to do extra duty and says what the hell for? I'm making $3 more than the kid BEFORE Taxes are deducted.
B.S.

Union or non union, seniority matters not these days. Generally it takes job changes within the company to make increases in pay. I don’t agree with that but it’s the way it works.

 

[fossil]

Union or non union, seniority matters not these days. Generally it takes job changes within the company to make increases in pay. I don’t agree with that but it’s the way it works.

what doesn't matter in a union is if your boss likes you, who you play golf with, who's your uncle bob or how brown your nose is but seniority still does. attendance matters, show up on time do your work properly as instructed within the contract rules is all that's required. can't do that it's a warning then 3 days off, then a week then it depends on the infraction.

 

[fossil]

Why should the employee with 40 years of experience take home the same pay as the employee with 4 days of experience? Yet that's how it works. Same job, same pay.

sounds like a tough place to work but nothing you described applies to the UAW Ford. first there's the 90 working days not calendar days sudden death probation period providing you pass the comprehensive aptitude and drug tests. when I hired in as a Ford electrician I tested for 3 days. 50 applicants whittled down to 10, 2 quit the first week.

there are plenty of skill pay levels for production workers most often only available to senior workers not to mention the infamous 2 tier wage system, $6 less an hour for new hires implemented during the great recession that lasted until 2019.

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