Total HP and Torque?

[Woodhawg]

Just watched a video on youtube and it stated that the ICE in the Maverick makes 162 HP and 155 #ft, and Electric drive motor does 126 HP and 173 #ft. Yet Ford says HP is 191 and no info on torque. Done some searches here and find little or nothing. Can someone explain why the HP is not 162 +126 or 288 instead of 191. Computer limited for some reason?

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[GreyCacti]

May be because when the battery is depleted, it can't offer the power. Also when it's very cold, it may not give much power.

 

[Maverickman74]

Power management software and mixing the ICEs torque curve with the linear torque of the E Motor.

 

[merlin101]

Just watched a video on youtube and it stated that the ICE in the Maverick makes 162 HP and 155 #ft, and Electric drive motor does 126 HP and 173 #ft. Yet Ford says HP is 191 and no info on torque. Done some searches here and find little or nothing. Can someone explain why the HP is not 162 +126 or 288 instead of 191. Computer limited for some reason?

I may be totally wrong, but I've had the same question and what I could figure out is that essentially when the two work in tandem there isn't a 100% add-up of power, especially from the electric motor at high speeds. IE, the physics of the drivetrain don't allow a full combination of HP between the two, so effectively you see the 191 HP number. I don't know exactly why that is though, so it's not much help. My theory is something about the RPM levels at which the ICE and traction motor generate their peak HP are different? Not sure though. Torque gets messy, not sure how that adds up exactly. It may be too variable for them to stick a hard number on it for combined output, but it is obviously going to be more than 155 when adding the ICE and traction motor together. I'm guessing somewhere between 180 and 200 maybe, but I have no idea how accurate that is.

 

[LSchicago]

I may be totally wrong, but I've had the same question and what I could figure out is that essentially when the two work in tandem there isn't a 100% add-up of power, especially from the electric motor at high speeds. IE, the physics of the drivetrain don't allow a full combination of HP between the two, so effectively you see the 191 HP number. I don't know exactly why that is though, so it's not much help. My theory is something about the RPM levels at which the ICE and traction motor generate their peak HP are different? Not sure though. Torque gets messy, not sure how that adds up exactly. It may be too variable for them to stick a hard number on it for combined output, but it is obviously going to be more than 155 when adding the ICE and traction motor together. I'm guessing somewhere between 180 and 200 maybe, but I have no idea how accurate that is.

You'll never get full power out of both because the gas engine has to spin the generator to keep the Motor under power.

 

[MaveRichard]

As you can imagine, it’s quite complicated. It has to do with the torque output of the ICE vs electric motor at different rpm’s, and how that torque is actually applied to the wheels.

With that being said - if you do some research on how these power split transmissions operate from a mechanical perspective it might help you understand.

 

[djw479]

It would be interesting to see a Hybrid Maverick on a FWD dyno. That way we'd see how the ICE and battery/traction motor blend, and what HP and TQ curves are delivered to wheels. I will admit to being somewhat surprised how responsive the Hybrid is. Its not fast by any means but its sprier than I thought it would be (and I haven't even tried the Sport mode yet).

But since I'm a 67YO living mostly on SS who plans on keeping my Mav for many years, I sadly regret I will not be offering mine for this test. I built many hi-powered drivetrains/vehicles over the decades and tuned on dynos, but that phase of my life has long since past.

Perhaps someone who has bought a Hybrid planning on flipping it soon could do the deed for us. Just make sure the battery is fully charged to see what max numbers can be. And maybe try out the Sport verse Normal modes to really see if there is a different.

 

[Woodhawg]

Just watched a video on youtube and it stated that the ICE in the Maverick makes 162 HP and 155 #ft, and Electric drive motor does 126 HP and 173 #ft. Yet Ford says HP is 191 and no info on torque. Done some searches here and find little or nothing. Can someone explain why the HP is not 162 +126 or 288 instead of 191. Computer limited for some reason?

So what we are saying it is Voodoo? I know I have to be careful when pulling onto a road quickly not to give it too much right foot or It will spin one front tire until I lift off. Did not see that coming. Yes an electric motor give full torque at ZERO rpms and ICE has max torque somewhere around 50-60% of max rpms. I think I will just not worry about this anymore and just enjoy my 40+ mpg around town.

 

[Woodhawg]

It would be interesting to see a Hybrid Maverick on a FWD dyno. That way we'd see how the ICE and battery/traction motor blend, and what HP and TQ curves are delivered to wheels. I will admit to being somewhat surprised how responsive the Hybrid Its not fast by any means but its sprier than I thought it would be (and I haven't even tried the Sport mode yet).

But since I'm a 67YO living mostly on SS who plans on keeping my Mav for many years, I sadly regret I will not be offering mine for this test. I built many hi-powered drivetrains/vehicles over the decades and tuned on dynos, but that phase of my life has long since past.

Perhaps someone who has bought a Hybrid planning on flipping it soon could do the deed for us. Just make sure the battery is fully charged to see what max numbers can be. And maybe try out the Sport verse Normal modes to really see if there is a different.

That is a great idea. You are just a young pup. Turned 75 last month and this will me my last auto purchase!

 

[Woodhawg]

As you can imagine, it’s quite complicated. It has to do with the torque output of the ICE vs electric motor at different rpm’s, and how that torque is actually applied to the wheels.

With that being said - if you do some research on how these power split transmissions operate from a mechanical perspective it might help you understand.

WOW! Thanks that guy is great. helped me understand how it works.

 

[djw479]

That is a great idea. You are just a young pup. Turned 75 last month and this will me my last auto purchase!

Gosh, thank you Woodhawg. I like being called a young pup! I'm quitting one P/T job soon, but keeping my other P/T job so I get out of the house. Getting older just means finally being smart enough to use the right tool for the job, instead of bullying through tasks.

And Woodhawg, you never know if this is your last vehicle purchase. In the years ahead we will be moving around in transpo-pods that drive themselves like Johnny Cab in the Total Recall movie.

Sorry to digress this interesting thread, but here's a short funny Johnny Cab video where Schwarzenegger takes over the driving. Enjoy it, and then back to the more pertinent HP/TQ topic.

 

[Woodhawg]

Gosh, thank you Woodhawg. I like being called a young pup! I'm quitting one P/T job soon, but keeping my other P/T job so I get out of the house. Getting older just means using the right tool for the job, instead of bullying through tasks.

And Woodhawg, you never know if this is your last vehicle purchase. In the years ahead we will be moving around in transpo-pods that drive themselves like Johnny Cab in the Total Recall movies..

Sorry to digress this interesting thread, but here's a short Johnny Cab video where Schwarzenegger takes over the driving. Enjoy it, and then back to the more pertinent HP/TQ topic.

Thanks for comments. I tried to add photo on of my Maverick today to my home page and could not. Said I was not authorized to change my add a photo. Any idea why not? I hate computers

 

[icegradner]

It will be hard to find with the search function, but I remember one member got their hybrid tests on a dyno with full hook ups. The actual output was beyond what Ford rates it for in terms of combined HP and torque, but I would only be guessing by trying to remember those numbers. My guess would be Ford provides an averaged number for normal operating conditions.

 

[fossil]

I suppose someday some forscan or other wizardry will allow the engine and motor to both produce max thrust for a test drive all the way to the transmission repair shop.

 

[Automate]

You can get a hint from the Maverick specs here https://www.ford.com/trucks/maverick/models/maverick-xlt/

Electric Motor Output 94 kW/173 lb.-ft. battery peak (94kW = 126 HP)
This is what the motor could do if it had unlimited power from the battery. But the battery in the Maverick is a small 1.1 kWh so the power to the motor is limited by the battery size.

The Escape plugin hybrid has the same ICE output but is rated for 210 combined HP due to its larger battery. But even with a larger battery, it still is not enough to get the full 126 HP of the electric motor.

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