Are Drivers Forgetting To Drive Safely, Due To Built In Safety Tech Protecting Us?

[Larrythelunatic]

I agree 100% I have been a driving School instructor for many years. The things I have seen and the things I have been told Are unreal. Driving is not a part-time job It is a full time JOB . So pay attention a computer can't do everything for you !!! And the life you save may be your own or one of your loved ones.

The manufacturers aren’t helping any. The touchscreen, IMHO, is he most dangerous, reckless invention, possibly ever! In my state (probably most) a tv monitor MAY NOT be in the view of the driver. The touchscreen is worse than that, in that it requires interaction, rather than just passive observation. It should be disabled while in gear. At the very least, it should go blank at 5mph.
Even mapping apps are dangerous. Must be some way around them and their use.

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[teh603]

Edit: ok, looks like fatalities per miles traveled have been mostly flat for the past decade. But it hasn't gone up, so it's hard to say that say safety tech is killing people

I sort of remember it going up in the late '90s to very early '00s. But that might have had more to do with badly- designed SUVs that were roll hazards, and underinflated Firestone tires.

Yes absolutely you are correct.
Case one evidence Tesla divers.
some of the most ignorant drivers in the world. As if all the BMW owners became Tesla owners.
All this technology can give a person super driving skills.

Yup, noticed that one too. Teslas seem to keep having wrecks where the autopilot was driving and the guy behind the wheel was asleep or absolutely not paying attention.

The big drawback to removing those safety features, unfortunately, is that it'll probably not result in people driving more safely. Sort of like how states without needle exchanges and safe places for IV drug users to shoot up have way higher rates of people dying from complications of IV drug use, than states that do. Making something more unsafe, doesn't seem to affect human behavior. We're still going to drive stupidly even without those safety features, just like how a meaningful fraction of us will still use IV drugs even in more unsafe conditions.

On another forum someone said they would never buy a vehicle with a data logger in it. Told them to look under the drivers seat they have been there for years. Also police can monitor your Onstar without a warrant unless you pay for the service.

Wasn't there a court case limiting cops' access to onboard data loggers? Something going back to the OBD 2 era where a cop plugged in a code puller and ticketed a guy for speeding based on his car's data logs? Either way, there should be a 5th Amendment defense (but check with a lawyer before trying to invoke it!).

 

[DryHeat]

Even mapping apps are dangerous. Must be some way around them and their use.

Of course there is a better way.

Just unfold a paper map on your steering wheel and roll down the street staring at the house numbers.

Safe as can be...

 

[huunvubu]

Pick any decade and see the same type of question and response.

I remember in the 60's that having a radio was the cause of the increase in accidents.

Does having a radio cause more accidents?
Does having a tape player cause more accidents?
Does having a CD player cause more accidents?
Does having a cell phone cause more accidents?

None of the above cause more accidents by themselves it is the distracted drivers who use them incorrectly that do cause more accidents.

Does having safety features cause more accidents?

No these actually either reduce accidents or lesson the impact during crashes.

Safety features of vehicles can save some lives even when idiots are driving vehicles. They are not responsible for the idiots driving in them as idiots do what idiots do.

 

[jsus]

It's hard to forget what one never learned in the first place...

 

[icegradner]

Pick any decade and see the same type of question and response.

I remember in the 60's that having a radio was the cause of the increase in accidents.

Does having a radio cause more accidents?
Does having a tape player cause more accidents?
Does having a CD player cause more accidents?
Does having a cell phone cause more accidents?

None of the above cause more accidents by themselves it is the distracted drivers who use them incorrectly that do cause more accidents.

Does having safety features cause more accidents?

No these actually either reduce accidents or lesson the impact during crashes.

Safety features of vehicles can save some lives even when idiots are driving vehicles. They are not responsible for the idiots driving in them as idiots do what idiots do.

Indeed, the tech doesn't cause accidents. Does it make people who are lazy/inattentive drivers more dangerous? Doubt it, it just reduces the chance of them hurting others, because they likely would have driven that way anyhow.

I think we all know everyone can and does make mistakes while driving, if you don't think you do, then give your head a shake, becuase you likely do and just haven't paid the price for it yet. Some of these are due to judgement errors, lack of awareness, distraction, and worse yet just reckless disregard for others. If the technology can help to eliminate the judgement errors, and reduce collisions due to distraction that can make a huge difference. I think we'd be hard pressed to fix the issue of recklessness, without full self-driving vehicles, but having a reliable affordable system like that is a ways off yet (Sorry Tesla, it's true).

 

[Mr. 99']

Once again an ignorant response to a valid question

Thanks Griffin, I appreciate you saying this. I just got back to my thread after a few days and I am surprised of how this took off.

 

[TheGriffin1313]

You're right... I don't know how many times it has saved your life. Just more of my ignorance.

But I am getting a fairly good feel for how much oxygen deprivation you've experienced.

I am jealous of the helmet, though. I missed that era and started with the old double-hose, tank-mounted regulators of the Lloyd Bridges Sea Hunt variety.

and they had dry rice in the tubes to catch all the moisture but would cut out the air flow

 

[DryHeat]

It seems like by now someone should have done a study of accident rates for cars with and without advanced driver assistance systems.

And -- drumroll -- someone has! Here are the results from a study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. And here's a study by GM and the University of Michigan.

Both find reductions in crashes and insurance claims where cars are equipped with this kind of safety tech.

Has anybody seen any studies that come to the opposite conclusion?

 

[EffNo50]

...I have seen others comment of how the Maverick has a lot of blindspots...

I don't think it is just Mavericks that have a lot of blindspots. For me the bed height makes it a little difficult to see if a car is next to me so I raised the seat a considerable amount from what I was used to driving a car. The worst is the A-pillar in all the new-ish vehicles, better on the Maverick than it was on my Fusion. The increase in the A-pillar thickness is due to rollover protection requirements*. There was 1 intersection in particular that the opposite lane was offset to the left just enough that if I didn't move my head to look around the A-pillar I could not see an entire car hiding there....or a pedestrian starting to walk across the street.


* A-pillar rollover rules include:
MVSS 216: The windshield and A-pillar area must withstand 1.5 times the vehicle's weight without crushing more than 5 inches during a two-minute test

 

[Automan21]

Answer to the title of the thread.
Of course, a lot of people are lazy now. They think the car will notify them of impending danger lol. No one wants to turn their head and look before taking a lane or come to a complete stop at a stop sign. I’ve always driven with the mindset of always have at least one way out of a situation. Anticipate what the other drivers will do and what my reaction would be if they did the dumbest thing.
I have the backup camera and still don’t use it.

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