Ordered a 25' Lariat Hybrid , Having second thoughts ...

[1929]

I have no interest in a car , I want a truck even if its small and has a small bed . That's why I'm
wanting a Maverick . Seems like the perfect choice , just still on the Hybrid / EB fence .... I cant thank
you and everyone else enough for the valuable input I'm getting , this is a great forum !

We have Hybrid Civic as well as Hybrid Maverick in the household. Maverick delivers higher average mpg than Civic in our use. (same driver, same route)

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[Shock96]

Would like to know average trip speed, number of miles, number of gallons, etc.

So the total miles was 248. 233 of that was freeway and the rest in town. From the exit to the house, from the house to the Goodwill, back to the house then back to the freeway.

That would be 94% freeway and 6% in town. Most of the in town driving was electric.

Fill up 7.17 (rounded up) gallons. MPG is 34.58 for the total trip.

Sorry I don't have the average speed but I would guess it would be close to 65-68 including the in town MPH. Most of the streets are 30mph. All the freeway was at 72mph using cruise control. Traffic heading down was wide open, heading home had some stop and go but that was about 6 miles.

I will be heading to our house in Idaho later this month and I will try and collect data. Should be interesting as I have to cross the Cascades. Our home is at about 2300ft above sea level so it will be interesting to see if MPG is different.

That's all there is and there ain't no more!

 

[710-oil-614]

We have Hybrid Civic as well as Hybrid Maverick in the household. Maverick delivers higher average mpg than Civic in our use. (same driver, same route)

As they are entirely different hybrid technologies it would depend on the route you are taking as to which of your hybrids would yield better MPGs.

 

[mittencamper]

I'm going to chip in, long-time reader, first-time poster. I agree with what 710-oil-614/Cal has been posting about their findings on the 25 AWD Hybrid and I think there needs to be a dose of reality when looking at the YouTube mileage numbers folks report. I assume since everyone here is on a forum about their vehicle, we may tend to be a little hyper-focused on research/data and take a deep dive into items, which irritates the wife to no end. I've spent the last two months reviewing/watching/consuming the Reddit, YouTube, and web forum posts about anything Maverick that I could find.

I have been looking at a hybrid Maverick for a few years but hadn't pulled the trigger until 3/3. I have a 43-mile commute that breaks out to 6 miles of 55 mph rural road, 1 mile of 30 mph town, and 36 miles of 75 mph interstate. I have been driving a '17 Escape SE FWD with the twinspool EB 2.0 on this route and average 25 mph fairly standard regardless of weather over every fill for five years now. This is being handed down to a 16yo new driver so the Maverick was purchased.

I bought a 25 Lariat AWD Hybrid w/ 4k tow on Monday, 3/3 and I think I expected mid/high 30s for mileage. That is not the case. The highest I have seen for this route, in ECO and setting cruise to 71 mph as soon as merging onto the interstate, is the posted image below of 31.4MPG. Weather is low to mid 20s and this was with the heat set to 71F, the seat on for about 6 miles, and the heated steering wheel on. Elevation is 900' to 1400' approx with 1500' gain and 1200' loss through the trip. Basically flat interstate in the great lakes area.

I am happy with the trim level, the ride comfort, the tech, and pretty much everything about the vehicle, however, the expectation of higher mileage has made the actual mileage a disappointment. With the 2L EB in the Escape, the cruise would be set to 78 MPH and would still get 25 on average. A trip with the Maverick cruise set to 78 MPH was around 26 MPG.

Lots of factors could see the mileage improve over time as the engine breaks in, the weather warms up to have the heater and heated seats/steering wheel not on, and less wind on a normal day but it still comes down to setting reasonable expectations of performance. I'm not sure at this moment if the hybrid over the EB was the best choice for my usage, I would almost wager that the EB would have been the better decision if it was a straight MPG return for this commute. I'm sure with additional driving outside of the commute the average on the whole will be a large improvement over our Jeep Gladiator Rubicon.

It's likely that the use of city/highway doesn't really reflect the road/travel/speed that is actually being driven. I'm sure I could get 40+ MPG numbers folks are posting on the interstate but that would be driving 50-55 mph instead of 75-80 mph. Having an apples to apples comparison would be helpful when posting mileage results. Our state highway roads are 55 MPH and very little traffic outside of a farm tractor that may slow vehicles and the interstate, which I would have referred to as highway travel, is 80+ MPH traffic and posted 75mph.

I guess the unsatisfying answer for @LilMags500 is that it depends and to temper your expectations. The Hybrid was likely a poor choice for my use case as a rural commuter vehicle and likely a better choice for more urban or suburban folks. I'm putting 86ish miles a day on the vehicle and will hopefully see 35MPG through the summer but I'm not holding my breath. The vehicle is not a disappointment but it is a bit of a downer. I do see 60MPG trips to town and running around to kids things but those miles are fractions of the commute.

 

[Brandi86]

Hello all , my first post and very happy to be here . I have been skulking around a bit and reading
a lot of posts , I have a 3/31 build date for my 2025 Lariat AWD hybrid , space white , BAP , tow pack , sun roof , slider , console vault and some other goodies . After lots of reading I'm beginning to wonder if I should have gone with the ecoboost and the 8 spd .

After lots of reading it seems the abundant mileage I was hoping to get is going to be a pipe dream , I
like the thought of trying something new "hybrid technology" but I'm leaving power on the table vs ecoboost
and I may only achieve 5-6 more miles per gallon with hybrid .

Currently I'm commuting to work 110 MI round trip in a 2023 F450 Lariat diesel dually (keeping) so no matter which maverick I get it will be a mileage improvement over the 17 I'm getting now . Can any
25' hybrid owners give me some feedback or advice whether I should keep this hybrid coming or maybe
opt for the ecoboost , I'm trying not to make the wrong decision . It seems from reading some of you really like your hybrid's and some do not any input much appreciated !

I commented 101 miles 4 days a week and am running around on the weekends also. 80 miles of that is parkway (70mph)
I first got my Mav in February, COLD. Gas milage was 28 average. Warmed up, I average 32 now. I only average around 5 miles electric on my work commute so that's just pretty much straight up engine.
When I go other places with more coasting/hill/stopNGo, it's better. I averaged 35mpg on a trip recently (not my work route, rural 2 lane)The more stop and go, town driving you do-amazing. I love the giddy up, but I have always drove smaller engine vehicles. It transitions and accelerates so dang smooth.
I love watching the brake coach and this may make more sense when you see it for yourself. I don't think there is a bad reason to opt for hybrid- hwy milage the same for Ecoboost, but you have opportunity to gain so much more with any town, slow driving.

 

[710-oil-614]

I commented 101 miles 4 days a week and am running around on the weekends also. 80 miles of that is parkway (70mph)
I first got my Mav in February, COLD. Gas milage was 28 average. Warmed up, I average 32 now. I only average around 5 miles electric on my work commute so that's just pretty much straight up engine.
When I go other places with more coasting/hill/stopNGo, it's better. I averaged 35mpg on a trip recently (not my work route, rural 2 lane)The more stop and go, town driving you do-amazing. I love the giddy up, but I have always drove smaller engine vehicles. It transitions and accelerates so dang smooth.
I love watching the brake coach and this may make more sense when you see it for yourself. I don't think there is a bad reason to opt for hybrid- hwy milage the same for Ecoboost, but you have opportunity to gain so much more with any town, slow driving.

Hand calculated you’re likely close to 32-33mpg and that’s well short of their epa ratings.

 

[Phimosis]

The Hybrid was likely a poor choice for my use case as a rural commuter vehicle and likely a better choice for more urban or suburban folks.

Why would you say that?

The conventional wisdom is that EV’s are the better urban and suburban commuter vehicles and that hybrids are better for rural commutes because of their longer range.

When it comes to being a commuter car, I don’t really see any place for an ICE only vehicle. The hybrid always beats the ice car on mileage numbers regardless of it being urban or rural.

 

[710-oil-614]

Why would you say that?

The conventional wisdom is that EV’s are the better urban and suburban commuter vehicles and that hybrids are better for rural commutes because of their longer range.

When it comes to being a commuter car, I don’t really see any place for an ICE only vehicle. The hybrid always beats the ice car on mileage numbers regardless of it being urban or rural.

EPA has the 2.0 at 29 on the highway and the hybrid at 33. From what I've observed the hybrid gets 29-30 and what others have observed in their EB is it can get around 30-31 so they are probably a wash for highway but agreed, hybrid efficiency works EB off the highway.

 

[dalola]

OP, you don't really clearly state your priorities, but hint at FE being important. It also seems the majority of your driving will be a highway commute. It's no secret that the hybrid efficiency shines brightest in urban/city use, when compared to the EB Maverick. It's not clear how much of that you would be doing. So it's really a matter of your priorities, which aren't super clear. All I could offer, based on what you have presented, I would go EB, because, IMO, it's a better experience overall, especially if you aren't driving a lot in city/urban environments. I would just pick the one you enjoy driving the most, and go with it. Good luck.

 

[Phimosis]

We have Hybrid Civic as well as Hybrid Maverick in the household. Maverick delivers higher average mpg than Civic in our use. (same driver, same route)

I would take your civic in and get it checked out. The civic is rated at 51 mpg city / 47 hwy. Compared to 42 city / 35 hwy for the fwd Maverick hybrid, with the same driver on the same route, the civic should be getting 29% better mpg.

 

[Phimosis]

EPA has the 2.0 at 29 on the highway and the hybrid at 33. From what I've observed the hybrid gets 29-30 and what others have observed in their EB is it can get around 30-31 so they are probably a wash for highway but agreed, hybrid efficiency works EB off the highway.

In previous posts, you’ve said you’re a fast driver. So in your hybrid you anecdotally get worse than the epa rating. But ecoboost drivers trying to hypermile anecdotally better than the epa rating. Does that prove that an ecoboost is as economical as the hybrid? Nope.

Because there are also people that drive ecoboosts fast and get less than the epa rating as well as hybrid drivers that hypermile and get better than the epa rating.

For the same driving style and the same average mph, the hybrid is going to return 10% better fuel economy than the ecoboost does on the highway. That is the whole purpose of using the atkinson cycle engine; they are (in theory) 20% more efficient that the Otto cycle engines.

 

[710-oil-614]

In previous posts, you’ve said you’re a fast driver. So in your hybrid you anecdotally get worse than the epa rating. But ecoboost drivers trying to hypermile anecdotally better than the epa rating. Does that prove that an ecoboost is as economical as the hybrid? Nope.

Because there are also people that drive ecoboosts fast and get less than the epa rating as well as hybrid drivers that hypermile and get better than the epa rating.

For the same driving style and the same average mph, the hybrid is going to return 10% better fuel economy than the ecoboost does on the highway. That is the whole purpose of using the atkinson cycle engine; they are (in theory) 20% more efficient that the Otto cycle engines.

In previous posts I have said in my other vehicles (Bronco, Civic, Tesla, Tremor) that I drove anywhere from 5-7mph over the speed limit and enjoyed getting there quickly. On the highway I would drive between 77-82mph (because ohio has 70 mph freeway speeds).

I have yet to be on the highway beyond the outerloop here in Columbus and I have kept speeds under 75mph.

For other driving I have stayed within 1-2mph of the speed limit and I have been pretty leisure in my pursuit of those speeds. Also done with HVAC off.

But no, I won't hypermile my hybrid by going so slow attempting to keep it in battery mode while accumulating a line of pissed off drivers behind me.

I think the combined 37mpg rating is a joke and the highway rating also a joke, and while you can say those are "EPA ratings", they are, but Ford also knows what the test is and can (and it appears did) set the Maverick up for great success in the test but maybe not in real world applications.

I still love my Maverick.

 

[710-oil-614]

That is the whole purpose of using the atkinson cycle engine; they are (in theory) 20% more efficient that the Otto cycle engines.

I would agree with you when all things equal however I find the 2.5L severely under powered and therefor it is always struggling to move the Maverick and is just in itself inefficient. If you put the old 2.5L Duratec 4cyl in it as comparison - I agree the Atkinson would be more efficient.

But I dream of a "Powerboost" 2.0 hybrid set up in the Maverick. Hell PowerBoost PHEV would be **chef's kiss**.

My reasons for wanting a more powerful ICE engine is that it alone can carry the load and be plenty efficient doing it.

Throw a 2.5L (non-hybrid) atkinson in a Maverick and efficiency would be much worse than the EB in my opinion.

However the efficiency we see in the 2.5 hybrid is also turning a motor generator.

 

[Phimosis]

In previous posts I have said in my other vehicles (Bronco, Civic, Tesla, Tremor) that I drove anywhere from 5-7mph over the speed limit and enjoyed getting there quickly. On the highway I would drive between 77-82mph (because ohio has 70 mph freeway speeds).

I have yet to be on the highway beyond the outerloop here in Columbus and I have kept speeds under 75mph.

For other driving I have stayed within 1-2mph of the speed limit and I have been pretty leisure in my pursuit of those speeds. Also done with HVAC off.

But no, I won't hypermile my hybrid by going so slow attempting to keep it in battery mode while accumulating a line of pissed off drivers behind me.

I think the combined 37mpg rating is a joke and the highway rating also a joke, and while you can say those are "EPA ratings", they are, but Ford also knows what the test is and can (and it appears did) set the Maverick up for great success in the test but maybe not in real world applications.

I still love my Maverick.

I too am a fast driver and I always get lower than the EPA rating. I’ve had 2 Priuses for 300k total freeway commuter miles. 90% of those miles were on cruise control at 80 mph. They were rated at 47 mpg hwy. I was lucky if I could pull 43 mpg out of either of them in warm temps and still air. But you add in AC in the summer heat and it would drop to 42 mpg. Add in heavy cross winds out in the Mojave desert and my mileage would go as low as 40 mpg.

So 40 actual mpg in a Prius vs 49 combined EPA rating. That is 84% as efficient as the epa rating and would be like getting 30 mpg on the freeway in a Maverick hybrid that is rated at 37 mpg combined cycle.

likewise, I drive an ecoboost maverick. It is rated for 30 mpg. When I drove it “normal,” ie 80 mph on cruise control, it gets 25 mpg, which is 83% as efficient as the EPA rating.

When I drive in town, I rarely get more than 15 mpg.

it’s all about how much throttle you like to use.

 

[Waterick]

Im not going to call others liars but until I see some screenshot proof of trip computers with average speeds above 65mph and onboard efficiency showing 36mpg+ i just can’t believe it.

I’m fighting hard not running HVAC, light throttle, and taking city routes as much as possibly and my hand calculated mpg is just 30.4 over the first 1,300 miles. I have not gone on long highway trips yet with the longest being around 60 miles round trip going just over 70mph and I registered 28mpg.

I just did my first oil change with mobil1 full synthetic so I will see if that helps. Obviously it will improve with warmer temps but doubtful it will impact highway performance as that is 95% ICE only already.

And I’m loving my Maverick. I believe that MPG will increase and by summer I’ll be sitting more in the 32-33 range but that will still be well more than 10% off the epa ratings while trying my hardest to be efficient. If I just drove I bet I’d be around 30mpg by summer time and more then 20% off the mark.

In your quest for better MPG, I'm sure you've looked at upping your tire pressures. I have found that about 2-3 PSI increase over the recommended 35 does make a big difference and does not make the ride terrible. Have you tried anything?

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