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[JTCC]

You're the first I know to have a Livewire!! How do you like it? You said it's your daily ride, how many days can you get on a single charge? How many miles? Very cool bike!

The onboard charger is the worst value proposition I've ever seen. It's feast (1 hour DC) or famine (10 hours AC), usually famine since the manual tells you to do 3-4 AC charges for every DC charge. The charger's also buggy as hell and has been the source of much frustration for myself and my service department.

Other than that though, it's superb. I can stretch out a full week, or ~225km per charge just bombing around the city. And the kick to the teeth when you hammer it at a stoplight never gets old. I'm waiting to see if Harley releases an updated charger module with level 2 capability. And if it's possible to retrofit, I'm going to swap it since that OBC is the only real complaint I have with this thing.

 

[Delzona]

The onboard charger is the worst value proposition I've ever seen. It's feast (1 hour DC) or famine (10 hours AC), usually famine since the manual tells you to do 3-4 AC charges for every DC charge. The charger's also buggy as hell and has been the source of much frustration for myself and my service department.

Other than that though, it's superb. I can stretch out a full week, or ~225km per charge just bombing around the city. And the kick to the teeth when you hammer it at a stoplight never gets old. I'm waiting to see if Harley releases an updated charger module with level 2 capability. And if it's possible to retrofit, I'm going to swap it since that OBC is the only real complaint I have with this thing.

Thanks for your reply. I've been wondering if some of the issues and low sales are part of the reason that HD has basically cut the Livewire out and made it into it's own brand. Since they've done that I have seen or heard anything about it.

 

[JTCC]

Thanks for your reply. I've been wondering if some of the issues and low sales are part of the reason that HD has basically cut the Livewire out and made it into it's own brand. Since they've done that I have seen or heard anything about it.

My guess is that even though HD needs to do a genre shift, this is a bit too drastic of a shift and it's just alienating their old clients instead of drawing enough new ones in. Alternatively, the biggest complaint was always pricing, so maybe they used it as an out to justify their $10k price drop since it doesn't have that brand premium anymore (even though it's the exact same bike).

There's also a legitimate lack of MY2022 plans or future updates ever since the Livewire split which worries me. It's too good of a bike to just abandon like this, so I really hope they don't get the Buell treatment.

 

[Delzona]

My guess is that even though HD needs to do a genre shift, this is a bit too drastic of a shift and it's just alienating their old clients instead of drawing enough new ones in. Alternatively, the biggest complaint was always pricing, so maybe they used it as an out to justify their $10k price drop since it doesn't have that brand premium anymore (even though it's the exact same bike).

There's also a legitimate lack of MY2022 plans or future updates ever since the Livewire split which worries me. It's too good of a bike to just abandon like this, so I really hope they don't get the Buell treatment.

I think you may be right about your assessment on pricing and alienating core clients, which is a shame. Personally, I really like bike and the whole concept behind it. Have you seen A Long Up? To me it really showed how good the design is and certainly the limitations. Although I've never had a chance to ride one I'm sure it's a blast. I didn't know that they'd cut the price by 10k! If HD had started out with that price point they probably would've done much better in sales. Funny how people complained about the range of the Livewire, yet it's better than my Sporty 72!

 

[FirstFord]

My guess is that even though HD needs to do a genre shift, this is a bit too drastic of a shift and it's just alienating their old clients instead of drawing enough new ones in. Alternatively, the biggest complaint was always pricing, so maybe they used it as an out to justify their $10k price drop since it doesn't have that brand premium anymore (even though it's the exact same bike).

There's also a legitimate lack of MY2022 plans or future updates ever since the Livewire split which worries me. It's too good of a bike to just abandon like this, so I really hope they don't get the Buell treatment.

Yeah well, good luck Harley. Seems that any change is too much for their brand. No change, no future.
Ducati and BMW have managed change. Ducati with the V4 (with non-desmo valves) and BMW with the S1000 series (K1200/1300 were great, but didn't bring in enough new buyers).

 

[Delzona]

Yeah well, good luck Harley. Seems that any change is too much for their brand. No change, no future.
Ducati and BMW have managed change. Ducati with the V4 (with non-desmo valves) and BMW with the S1000 series (K1200/1300 were great, but didn't bring in enough new buyers).

Yeah, it was a great idea but I think the price point really killed Livewire before it even had a chance.

 

[JTCC]

IHave you seen A Long Up? To me it really showed how good the design is and certainly the limitations.

I haven't, no Apple TV or whatever subscription it's exclusive to. I might watch it if it show up elsewhere, but I've got enough subscriptions I don't use already.

I didn't know that they'd cut the price by 10k! If HD had started out with that price point they probably would've done much better in sales.

My completely unsolicited guess without any inside knowledge or anything is that they wanted it to be a halo product. Then after they didn't follow up on it, it kind of lost its shiny new thing appeal. The lineup desperately needs some new development, whether it's improving the LW1 or adding a new model.

Funny how people complained about the range of the Livewire, yet it's better than my Sporty 72!

I have two (running) gas bikes that do better. My other daily does 175 km to a tank, so I'm not sure what those people are on about when they try to tell me I don't have enough range.

And if you go for a less powerful motor, you can kick that range up even further on a similar battery size. Zero's pushing 270 km on their midrange models and I find that mind boggling.

 

[JerseyMike]

Yamaha Tenere 700

 

[Vince30]

Yamaha Tenere 700

I love these things. How are you liking it?

 

[AeroMech21]

2021 KTM 250SX with FC suspension, FMF pipe/silencer and a few other little goodies .

 

[JTCC]

Remember back in the 80s when Japan went collectively crazy for about 5 minutes and everyone suddenly had a turbo bike? I don't, because I wasn't alive for it. I also couldn't get my hands on the Honda CX like I wanted since those disappear within the first 0.005 seconds of hitting the market, so this Turbo Seca will have to do as project #10.

Also, just signed for this Zero DSR. Because I guess I'm a filthy hippie and also want to try owning a dual sport.

 

[Ronin]

Just started a restoration on a 1974 Yamaha DT350A. It will be registered and we will be riding it in the spring.

 

[Eagle11]

Just started a restoration on a 1974 Yamaha DT350A. It will be registered and we will be riding it in the spring.

WOW a time machine, I remember the DT models, My dad at a 72 DT125, then a DT250.

 

[Ronin]

WOW a time machine, I remember the DT models, My dad at a 72 DT125, then a DT250.

Back in 1982 my first bike was a 1979 MX100 oil injected. My friend down the street had a Dt100 with lights. Put what seemed like 1000s of hours riding in the woods. When my friend told me his dad was going to sell this bike I had to have it.

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