lane keep works half the time

[RLmesc]

Okay, my rides with people I know and love, with similar systems (Tesla and Kia) resulted in me refusing to get this nanny crap on my MAV and I will continue to develop my ability to DRIVE myself. They all failed to some degrees, as do we but if I screw up, I will take the abuse I deserve but if a machine screws up, guess what...you are still to blame. "It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools" Abraham Lincoln... ok I have no idea who said that, but I like Lincoln.

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[JimParker256]

Much as I love ACC on the highway, it is NOT "self-driving" in any form. Using it, you're not "giving up" any control, and you darn sure better continue to keep your eyes on the road. It's an "aid" like automatic transmission, power brakes, power steering, turn signals, brake lights, seat belts, and air bags. There's nothing wrong with liking it - I certainly do - but it doesn't alleviate the driver's responsibility to drive the car, it just makes it easier.

 

[Old Ford Guy]

lane assist or centering?

great question...while the lane assist will provide visual cues nd steering wheel alerts via steering wheel vibrations it does NOT attempt any 'lane centering' that im aware of.

i have a '23 Lariat that i bought off the lot(not my order) that came with lane assist but no adaptive cruise control or lane centering, bummer.
i am happy to see that both these feature are 'standard' with the Lariat Lux Pkg for the 24MY Lariat.
it's probably one of the 2 main reasons i will trade in my beloved little truck next year, that and a burning desire for a OEM moonroof.
i love my '23 Lariat Hybrid. i was offered this truck by my dealer only 3 wks after alerting them that i was in the market for one. matter of fact this was the 2nd i was offered in that time period at MSRP minus my A-plan discount! Shout out to the good folks at Auto Nation Ford in Westlake Ohio!!

 

[Old Ford Guy]

The lane keeping system only operates when the vehicle speed is greater than 40 mph (64 km/h,) among other limitations.

Lane Keeping System (If Equipped) - Lane Keeping System Limitations (fordservicecontent.com)

I don't know why this limitation is there, as I can set Adaptive Cruise and Lane Centering at much lower speeds.

very interesting, one would think that the a lot of the same sensors that inform ACC are involved with lane centering systems. i wonder what was the reason for the >40mph limit on lane keeping but not the other stuff?

 

[Old Ford Guy]

I have the same experience with Lane Keep Assist. It seems very random when it kicks in. I keep it activated at all times and have the the settings at highest sensitivity but it rarely activates even when I think it should have. But then every once it awhile it kicks in when you don’t expect it.

my 23 L. Hybrid has no lane centering or ACC so i'm not qualified to offer opinions on that.
my experience with Lane Assist is that the Lane Assist visual dash indicator is pretty consistent irrespective of speed: it glows yellow if you're close to either side lane limit, then red if you cross said line.
However the steering wheel vibration alerts intensity seem MUCH different depending on menu selectable sensitivity settings and speed of the vehicle at the moment of lane violation detection by the system.
At highway speeds it seems quite a bit more predictable in using proximity of the vehicle to the edge lines to trigger alerts and the intensity of those alerts. i almost always use it on the highway.

But around town just going to the local store at 30mph or less the steering wheel vibrations seem MUCH more aggressive & inconsistent and unpredictable to me. i now rarely use this feature just running errands around or in my neighborhood .there have been a few times when i wondered what i was running over B4 i realized it was the lane centering assist system kicking in, also it felt almost as if the steering wheel was resisting my efforts to recover. maybe thats a good thing as it does quickly get one's attention, and that is the goal is it not?

i dont mind that perceived difference very much but wouldnt you want your most aggressive lane assist alert to occur at higher speeds as that is when the most catastrophic consequences of high speed lane crossover head on collisions happen?

 

[fossil]

great question...while the lane assist will provide visual cues nd steering wheel alerts via steering wheel vibrations it does NOT attempt any 'lane centering' that im aware of.

experience with a 2020 Escape
not really a fan of the lane assist but have hopes for the centering. ACC with stop and go, 1.75 thumbs up lol. it took a bit to trust it but worked well in city driving with the follow distance set at 5, anything less engaged some varying degrees of pucker, set at 1 was scary. it lost .25 thumbs because it sometimes didn't resume from a stop but needed a touch on the gas pedal.

this link is an interesting conversation from the Sport forum on lane centering.
https://www.broncosportforum.com/forum/threads/very-impressed-with-ford-co-pilot360-assist.1533/

 

[Heyspike]

There are several factors that come into play:


LANE KEEPING SYSTEM
LIMITATIONS
The lane keeping system only operates
when the vehicle speed is greater than
40 mph (64 km/h).
The system works when the camera can
detect at least one lane marking.
The lane keeping system may not correctly
operate in any of the following conditions:
• The lane keeping system does not
detect at least one lane marking.
• You switch the turn signal on.
• You apply direct steering, accelerate
fast or brake hard.
• The vehicle speed is less than 40 mph
(64 km/h).
• The anti-lock brake, stability control or
traction control system activates.
• The lane is too narrow.
• Something is obscuring the camera or
it is unable to detect the lane markings
due to environment, traffic or vehicle
conditions.
The lane keeping system may not correct
lane positioning in any of the following
conditions:
• High winds.
• Uneven road surfaces.
• Heavy or uneven loads.
• Incorrect tire pressure.

Where's the camera? Mine hasn't worked in a few weeks, just did a NY to SC run and back without it. Maybe my camera is bugged up.
Thanks.

 

[JohnHartshorn]

Where's the camera? Mine hasn't worked in a few weeks, just did a NY to SC run and back without it. Maybe my camera is bugged up.
Thanks.

I believe it's in the big box behind the rear view mirror, so clean your windshield.

 

[JimParker256]

I believe it's in the big box behind the rear view mirror, so clean your windshield.

Yep - right behind the mirror. And a clean windshield DEFINITELY makes it work better. It can make a huge difference!

 

[colinl]

The most common complaint I see about Ford ACC with lane centering is being pulled unexpectedly, and this is almost always to the right.

The system can see in color and it gives priority to following a white line on the right side of the vehicle. Federal road standards state that off-ramps from highway systems should have a tight dotted white line which indicates to humans and driving assistant camera systems alike that it is an exit. If a lane appears on the right and a dotted line isn't there, you should 100% expect your Maverick ACC to try to follow the road to the right. This will happen in turn lanes as well, if they don't have dotted lines separating the lane.

The main cause of losing lane centering is glare in the early morning or rainy conditions. This is different because the system will not steer at all. A warning will chime and you'll see 'canceled' in red on your driver's info panel. It will resume when the steering wheel icon in the upper left of the info panel turns green.

ACC is a huge benefit in high winds. It can steer into crosswinds and keep you in the lane. This has a huge effect on driver fatigue. I can easily do out & back trips to Western Kansas using ACC that would have left me feeling worn out, especially my shoulders and neck.

 

[Aherpa]

anyone else have problems with the lane keep . sometimes it seems to work great . was trying to demo it for grandson but it did not work at all for several miles.
i suppose it is better than nothing and it ha saved my but a few times . i paid extra for a system that is not that reliable.

If the Maverick is typical of Ford's 'self driving' or 'drive by wire' technology, it needs work.

I did not buy the truck for any of those features and I'm glad I can turn them off or to 'only warn me' but I do 'play' with them to see what their are about.

I meet a semi on a two lane blacktop and just as I cleared the back of his truck, the Maverick started squawking about the collision avoidance system had detected 'something' (I don't remember the entire red message). I would hate to think what the truck would have done if I had the system set to 'act' instead of just 'warn'.

Construction zones are interesting. . . Especially where the crew has tried to grind away the old lane markers and make new ones. The lane keeping system gets a bit 'cornfused' (if you notice the lane markers on the instrument cluster). With the old and the new ones so close together, it sort of says 'Jesus take the wheel'.
I do use it to avoid going over all of the jutter bars before stop signs. In my County, many of the jutter bars stop about a foot from the edge of the pavement (to keep the integrity of the road surface) and lane keeping is good for crowding that outside line so the outside tire can avoid going over the damn things.

I like using the adaptive cruise control but it to has it's foibles. On a divided multi-lane road It sometimes has a hard time. For instance, I got stuck behind a truck and the last vehicle in the left hand lane had passed me and was about even with the truck ahead of me. As I moved over into the left lane, the truck suddenly braked hard. Luckily no-one was behind me.
I don't know if the radar got confused by the gap between the car and truck ahead of me as I changed lanes or it could not 'decide' between two targets (the car accelerating near the truck and the slower truck) or what but, it tells me not to rely on these systems in traffic for sure.

They are aides and not replacements for good driving habits. If I have to rely on tech or myself, it will be myself.

 

[colinl]

If the Maverick is typical of Ford's 'self driving' or 'drive by wire' technology, it needs work.

I did not buy the truck for any of those features and I'm glad I can turn them off or to 'only warn me' but I do 'play' with them to see what their are about.

I meet a semi on a two lane blacktop and just as I cleared the back of his truck, the Maverick started squawking about the collision avoidance system had detected 'something' (I don't remember the entire red message). I would hate to think what the truck would have done if I had the system set to 'act' instead of just 'warn'.

Construction zones are interesting. . . Especially where the crew has tried to grind away the old lane markers and make new ones. The lane keeping system gets a bit 'cornfused' (if you notice the lane markers on the instrument cluster). With the old and the new ones so close together, it sort of says 'Jesus take the wheel'.
I do use it to avoid going over all of the jutter bars before stop signs. In my County, many of the jutter bars stop about a foot from the edge of the pavement (to keep the integrity of the road surface) and lane keeping is good for crowding that outside line so the outside tire can avoid going over the damn things.

I like using the adaptive cruise control but it to has it's foibles. On a divided multi-lane road It sometimes has a hard time. For instance, I got stuck behind a truck and the last vehicle in the left hand lane had passed me and was about even with the truck ahead of me. As I moved over into the left lane, the truck suddenly braked hard. Luckily no-one was behind me.
I don't know if the radar got confused by the gap between the car and truck ahead of me as I changed lanes or it could not 'decide' between two targets (the car accelerating near the truck and the slower truck) or what but, it tells me not to rely on these systems in traffic for sure.

They are aides and not replacements for good driving habits. If I have to rely on tech or myself, it will be myself.

It isn't self-driving nor Ford's best tech. What we have in the Maverick debuted in 2007. It is a driver aid as you then later comment.

Ford's latest technology is BlueCruise and it is also not self driving, but the assistance it can provide is greater, including hands-free driving and lane changes. After 25k miles with adaptive cruise in a Maverick, I value it but I would absolutely not trust it hands-free for more than a few seconds. I have seen the small weight trick and it makes me cringe.

We're somewhere around 10-20 years from fully autonomous, reliable self driving cars being affordable and widely used. Here's a comparison of Tesla's current autopilot - which they foolishly removed radar and only use cameras - and Ford BlueCruise 1.2. (1.3 is just now rolling out to the Mach-E.)

 

[Aherpa]

It isn't self-driving nor Ford's best tech. What we have in the Maverick debuted in 2007. It is a driver aid as you then later comment.

Ford's latest technology is BlueCruise and it is also not self driving, but the assistance it can provide is greater, including hands-free driving and lane changes. After 25k miles with adaptive cruise in a Maverick, I value it but I would absolutely not trust it hands-free for more than a few seconds. I have seen the small weight trick and it makes me cringe.

We're somewhere around 10-20 years from fully autonomous, reliable self driving cars being affordable and widely used. Here's a comparison of Tesla's current autopilot - which they foolishly removed radar and only use cameras - and Ford BlueCruise 1.2. (1.3 is just now rolling out to the Mach-E.)

Ford is charging a 'subscription' to use features in their cars? I will never pay a subscription to use something in my 'bought and paid for' vehicle. Nope, we're done.

 

[colinl]

Ford is charging a 'subscription' to use features in their cars? I will never pay a subscription to use something in my 'bought and paid for' vehicle. Nope, we're done.

yes, after an initial trial, BlueCruise is $80/month.

the world is probably headed that direction. there will be some basic features at no charge, like ACC, and self-driving will have a cost.

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