If all Hybrids will not be built, will ford give option to purchase EB

[Ragtime Billy Peaches]

Its only stupid,,,if indeed your a person that doesn't like to weight options by desiring to know facts. Thats called logic

Your thread title gives the impression that Ford IS giving the option to switch to Ecoboost, maybe you should have said " Will Ford give option to purchase ?"

But we get your point.

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[OXHB619]

Its only stupid,,,if indeed your a person that doesn't like to weight options by desiring to know facts. Thats called logic

nah, he is right if a bit abrasive, the titles reads like it is presenting a fact not a question.

The though is in the right place though, Ford should offer this, but logic and reasoning in favor of the end customer don't seem to belong with the decision makers.

 

[RockHoundTX]

That sucks,,,thanks for understanding
Does Ford know which of the orders they received in 23 will be built for the 2023 year?
If so can customers be granted that information?

Ford has no idea. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None. .........

First, they have only a vague idea as to how many and what types of Mavericks will be built next month. If any one of 1000+ parts gets delayed, the entire assembly line can come to a complete stop (this happened many times last year). There were several times last year when the expectation was 10k Mavericks in a month and they ended up making only half of that due to parts shortages or recalls. Until all the parts show up for a particular build, it is just a "best planned" guess as to if/when a specific vehicle gets actually built.

They have no idea as to who you are as an end customer and really don't care. I don't think you understand how the process works. It all comes to dealer allocation:

Through some magic formula that only Ford knows, Ford decides that this month they will give X number of vehicles to dealer A, and Y number to dealer B, and zero to dealer C. As an example, my small dealer was only allocated 5 Mavericks out of 11 MY22 orders. Compare that to some large dealers that got 500 MY22 Mavericks.

Ford then looks at Dealer A's list of orders and compares them to what they plan to give Dealer A that month. Lets say that they will give dealer A a Hybrid XLT and a Eco Lariat that month.

Ford then finds the first couple of Hybrid XLTs and the first couple of Eco Lariats at Dealer A and move them to a Priority 2. They then look for constraints. If the first Hybrid XLT order wants mud-flaps and Ford has no mud-flaps then they go to the next Hybrid XLT order in line that does not have mud-flaps. They do the same process for the Eco order. Where things get screwy is that the dealer sets the order (between 10 and 19) and can change that order at any time. As such, the dealer can set his wife's order as a 10, the guy that give him an extra $500 on the side as an 11, all the roll-over 22 orders as a 15 (even though Ford suggested they be set as a 10), and any new MY23 orders as a 19. Every dealer sets their own policy. However, allocation for that dealer pretty much trumps everything. We are already seeing cases where brand new MY23 orders are getting VINs while folks like myself who have been waiting since October of last year are not sure if they will ever get a Maverick :-/

Normally (but not always) they leave the passed over Priority 2 order a Priority 2 so hopefully it will get filled next month assuming Ford gets mud-flaps in at some point so it is no longer a constraint. Some people here have had orders sit at Priority 2 for four or five months!!!

Once an order has been selected, it gets a VIN and a theoretical week it would be expected to be built (this will likely change 4 or 5 times). At some point the VIN shows up in the dealer's system and they reach out to you (well, this almost NEVER happens. Most of us have to contact Ford if we want to see if there is a VIN).

When Ford has an actual day (not just the week) the Maverick will be built, they will send you an e-mail. This will be the first time Ford actually sends you any real info. Even then, the truck technically still belongs to the dealership until it finally shows up (6-12 weeks later) and you officially buy it from the dealership.

Not sure the above is 100% correct but should be pretty close based on what I have seen and read over the last 15 months on this Forum as I faithfully wait (maybe forever) for a VIN for an XL Hybrid. Hope that helps.

 

[Reality Take 2]

Curious what your source is for this. You state it as fact so I assume you have something from Ford with that info. All I have seen is random rumors with no basis on Facebook and some early comments here that Ford planned a 65 / 35 split. But no actual proof from Ford of even that, not that I've seen.

If true it is going to be a disappointing year for some, but even if Ford planned a 65 / 35 split doesn't mean they cannot adapt to reality. Let's hope so anyway.

I'm curious too-- I keep seeing these numbers and have my doubts... because my boyfriend and I both have build dates and VINs for 23s-- both hybrids, one XLT (no options,) one Lariat (Lux + CoPilot Assist.) We did not order 22s and we didn't even get our orders in on day one. We honestly didn't expect anything until Spring at the earliest. I mean-- to be fair, it still could be Spring if things are rescheduled... and who knows what else?

Point is simply that we did not expect to have a build date before of the end of the year, much less on weeks 3 and 4 of production. We really thought there was a good possibility that either one or both would never be built.

We had a plan and will buy even if they come in ASAP... but we're scrambling a bit and changing some things around because we thought we had at least a couple more months to get our acts together.

Note: I realize that the numbers are from Tim Bartz. If they are in fact accurate then I guess we've gotten really lucky over here.

 

[scotty]

Your thread title gives the impression that Ford IS giving the option to switch to Ecoboost, maybe you should have said " Will Ford give option to purchase ?"

But we get your point.

Right, I never thought of that,,,thanks...didn't mean to give that impression

 

[commadorebob]

I'm curious too-- I keep seeing these numbers and have my doubts... because my boyfriend and I both have build dates and VINs for 23s-- both hybrids, one XLT, one Lariat. We did not order 22s and we didn't even get our orders in on day one. We honestly didn't expect anything until Spring at the earliest. I mean-- to be fair, it still could be Spring if things are rescheduled... and who knows what else?

Point is simply that we did not expect to have a build date before of the end of the year, much less on weeks 3 and 4 of production. We really thought there was a good possibility that either one or both would never be built.

We had a plan and will buy even if they come in ASAP... but we're scrambling a bit and changing some things around because we thought we had at least a couple more months to get our acts together.

Note: I realize that the numbers are from Tim Bartz. If they are in fact accurate then I guess we've gotten really lucky over here.

Tim read them from the official memo from Ford to dealers. The Maverick was not the only one on the memo, but obviously the only one of interest to this forum.

 

[1929]

Hybrids will not be built, ford gives option to purchase EB

When is the deadline to convert my hybrid order to EB?

 

[scotty]

Ford has no idea. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None. .........

First, they have only a vague idea as to how many and what types of Mavericks will be built next month. If any one of 1000+ parts gets delayed, the entire assembly line can come to a complete stop (this happened many times last year). There were several times last year when the expectation was 10k Mavericks in a month and they ended up making only half of that due to parts shortages or recalls. Until all the parts show up for a particular build, it is just a "best planned" guess as to if/when a specific vehicle gets actually built.

They have no idea as to who you are as an end customer and really don't care. I don't think you understand how the process works. It all comes to dealer allocation:

Through some magic formula that only Ford knows, Ford decides that this month they will give X number of vehicles to dealer A, and Y number to dealer B, and zero to dealer C. As an example, my small dealer was only allocated 5 Mavericks out of 11 MY22 orders. Compare that to some large dealers that got 500 MY22 Mavericks.

Ford then looks at Dealer A's list of orders and compares them to what they plan to give Dealer A that month. Lets say that they will give dealer A a Hybrid XLT and a Eco Lariat that month.

Ford then finds the first couple of Hybrid XLTs and the first couple of Eco Lariats at Dealer A and move them to a Priority 2. They then look for constraints. If the first Hybrid XLT order wants mud-flaps and Ford has no mud-flaps then they go to the next Hybrid XLT order in line that does not have mud-flaps. They do the same process for the Eco order. Where things get screwy is that the dealer sets the order (between 10 and 19) and can change that order at any time. As such, the dealer can set his wife's order as a 10, the guy that give him an extra $500 on the side as an 11, all the roll-over 22 orders as a 15 (even though Ford suggested they be set as a 10), and any new MY23 orders as a 19. Every dealer sets their own policy. However, allocation for that dealer pretty much trumps everything. We are already seeing cases where brand new MY23 orders are getting VINs while folks like myself who have been waiting since October of last year are not sure if they will ever get a Maverick :-/

Normally (but not always) they leave the passed over Priority 2 order a Priority 2 so hopefully it will get filled next month assuming Ford gets mud-flaps in at some point so it is no longer a constraint. Some people here have had orders sit at Priority 2 for four or five months!!!

Once an order has been selected, it gets a VIN and a theoretical week it would be expected to be built (this will likely change 4 or 5 times). At some point the VIN shows up in the dealer's system and they reach out to you (well, this almost NEVER happens. Most of us have to contact Ford if we want to see if there is a VIN).

When Ford has an actual day (not just the week) the Maverick will be built, they will send you an e-mail. This will be the first time Ford actually sends you any real info. Even then, the truck technically still belongs to the dealership until it finally shows up (6-12 weeks later) and you officially buy it from the dealership.

Not sure the above is 100% correct but should be pretty close based on what I have seen and read over the last 15 months on this Forum as I faithfully wait (maybe forever) for a VIN for an XL Hybrid. Hope that helps.

No, I really don't understand how as you said "how things work". That is why I am here, asking. Thanks for your response and information. What you expressed about parts being at the manufacture as a mean of determining who get built sounds ethical and logical. However in your case and your wait...definitely upsets me.

So you still do not have a vin number even after calling the manufacturer? thats plain ugly.

 

[scotty]

Your thread title gives the impression that Ford IS giving the option to switch to Ecoboost, maybe you should have said " Will Ford give option to purchase ?"

But we get your point.

Ok, then. I edited the title of post and represented it in question form

 

[Crance]

Were the projected constrained items not out and available to the dealers and us before banks opened? I ordered what I did based off those numbers so as to not be dinged and wait even longer than expected. To allow those that ignored the info and ordered highly constrained builds seems dirty.

 

[commadorebob]

Were the projected constrained items not out and available to the dealers and us before banks opened? I ordered what I did based off those numbers so as to not be dinged and wait even longer than expected. To allow those that ignored the info seems dirty

Kinda this. The fact the hybrids would be limited to 35% was known beforehand. My dealership even warned me before we started the process about which items would cause a delay and made sure what I ordered wasn't going to be a major issue.

I'm not all "sucks to be you" but what we got last night was really just confirmation of what we already knew just with actual metrics.

 

[Jatrax]

Were the projected constrained items not out and available to the dealers and us before banks opened?

Some were. My dealer recommended no mud flaps, floor mats, bed liner or bed cover. All items they could get, or I could get after delivery. No mention that getting a hybrid would be an issue. Maybe he didn't know, didn't believe or didn't care. It would not have mattered to me, I want a hybrid, not an ecoboost. If I don't get it this year, I'll wait. Or buy something else. Who knows maybe by '24 they will have a plug-in hybrid which (for me) would be awesome.

 

[Crance]

Kinda this. The fact the hybrids would be limited to 35% was known beforehand. My dealership even warned me before we started the process about which items would cause a delay and made sure what I ordered wasn't going to be a major issue.

I'm not all "sucks to be you" but what we got last night was really just confirmation of what we already knew just with actual metrics.

So after calling and inquiring on dozens of mavs in the state to no avail, my dealership called me back in July to put in a mock build. I did the build and put a small deposit down ($500ish I think). The mock build was an easy method to use for when banks opened because they knew I was 3hrs away. When banks opened and they called to confirm my build, I had the mock in hand and immediately started lining stuff out. Swapped the hybrid for EB (they said “we’re glad you did that on your own. The projections aren’t good for hybrids at this time”) and then I said I was good. They countered with “hey, let’s scrap your DIBL and tonneau as we can get that done I n house. Let’s just get you in your truck.” I say this to make the point that It’s wild that some dealerships knowingly let their customers constrain the hell out of their builds. I’m not in the “sucks to be you” camp just yet but I’d rather see ford wait until the spring to let the hybrid orders change engines to give the ones that reasonably avoided most constraints the snowballs chance of getting their builds first.

 

[commadorebob]

So after calling and inquiring on dozens of mavs in the state to no avail, my dealership called me back in July to put in a mock build. I did the build and put a small deposit down ($500ish I think). The mock build was an easy method to use for when banks opened because they knew I was 3hrs away. When banks opened and they called to confirm my build, I had the mock in hand and immediately started lining stuff out. Swapped the hybrid for EB (they said “we’re glad you did that on your own. The projections aren’t good for hybrids at this time”) and then I said I was good. They countered with “hey, let’s scrap your DIBL and tonneau as we can get that done I n house. Let’s just get you in your truck.” I say this to make the point that It’s wild that some dealerships knowingly let their customers constrain the hell out of their builds. I’m not in the “sucks to be you” camp just yet but I’d rather see ford wait until the spring to let the hybrid orders change engines to give the ones that reasonably avoided most constraints the snowballs chance of getting their builds first.

My opinion and conjecture but, If Ford opens the banks for engine conversion, it will be after the current EB orders are built. Just too much to mess up and they risk punishing those dealers who have a legitimate EB order who actually paid attention to Ford's guidelines.

The only thing that baffles me is why Ford kept the banks open for Hybrid as long as they did. Ford would have to build a total of 152,000 trucks at the 35/65 ratio to fulfill the hybrid orders....assuming the number Tim gave last night includes the cancelled VIN MY22 rollovers.

 

[Crance]

My opinion and conjecture but, If Ford opens the banks for engine conversion, it will be after the current EB orders are built. Just too much to mess up and they risk punishing those dealers who have a legitimate EB order who actually paid attention to Ford's guidelines.

The only thing that baffles me is why Ford kept the banks open for Hybrid as long as they did. Ford would have to build a total of 152,000 trucks at the 35/65 ratio to fulfill the hybrid orders....assuming the number Tim gave last night includes the cancelled VIN MY22 rollovers.

To be honest, I’ve been wondering how the heck they allowed the system to even accept as many hybrids as it did. Amazon tells you how many in stock items there are, why didn’t they do something similar? They at least could have ran multiple “retail order days” to allow the hybrid orders to trickle in.

also glad I’m not alone in thinking the most reasonable timeline for allowing engine changes is much later.

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