Hybrid Power!

[Decayed]

Does your calculations take into account the high torque of the electric motors and the low torque of the atkins cycle engine? I drove a coworkers hybrid and it had some pretty good get up and go. It was way more powerful than I expected. In fact, I was kind of surprised that the tow capacity is only rated at 2000lbs.

The low end torque of the hybrid is supposed to be pretty good. The eco doesn't have much but it really thrives at higher revs. It's fun to pass at highway speeds because it's so responsive.

My calculations also don't take into account the fact that I accidentally used the max load weight for the raptor instead of the curb weight. My bad.

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[Decayed]

My 2019 F-150 reg cab has a 395 hp 5.0 with a curb weight of 4,200lbs works out to 0.094 hp/lb.

Yeah I used the wrong number. That's what I get for not checking original sources.

 

[Chicolini]

My 2019 F-150 reg cab has a 395 hp 5.0 with a curb weight of 4,200lbs works out to 0.094 hp/lb.

{howls like a Coyote}
I love old school regular cab Ford pickups.

 

[Guv]

{howls like a Coyote}
I love old school regular cab Ford pickups.

Old School for Old Dude

 

[Ozarkbeard]

...I love old school regular cab Ford pickups.

Only if they're old enough to have vent wings.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Generalizing-
-Most people who have pickups don't mash on the gas from lights because of RWD and fishtailing.
-Mav is light weight compared to many vehicles.

I have surprised quite a few people in Mav....

 

[GPSMan]

A big chunk of that power is from the rear motor, which only comes on when there’s wheel slippage. So, in the real world the 219 hp of the rav4 is closer to the Mav’s 190.

I don't know what gave you that idea. Probably read some internet page.

We had a 2019 Rav4 Hybrid. After two years it got rear-ended and insurance gave use full MSRP. Couldn't find a Rav4 on a lot in 2021 so we upgraded to the Venza Hybrid which is the same powertrain as the Rav4, just in a prettier package. Same instrument cluster in both.

There is a power meter screen on the center cluster you must have never looked at. It displays power to each wheel in real time.

Power goes to the rear wheels EVERY SINGLE ACCELERATION. 4 wheel drive is how they distribute power TO PREVENT wheel slip, not to remedy wheel slip.

You need 80 horsepower to accelerate briskly. Much better, much safer, to send 20 HP to 4 wheels, vs. 40 HP to just the front wheels.


This site can be fun AND educational.

 

[GPSMan]

I assumed it had something to do with the CVT. I am no engineer, but I fail to see why electric reverse would lower the tow rating. Not like I am trying to tow (push?) a trailer at 55mph going backwards. I have towed a lot of trailers in my life, but I am not that good.

It is because of the low power in reverse limitation. Really it is.
You need more to push a trailer slowly, but uphill in reverse, for example.

 

[RichardCranium]

It is because of the low power in reverse limitation. Really it is.
You need more to push a trailer slowly, but uphill in reverse, for example.

Yeah, like I said, it was an assumption on my part. A lot of people will only look at horsepower ratings which are really not a good rating to use. A diesel engine doesn’t have a lot of horsepower, but it can out tow a gas engine of the same rating because it has a lot more torque (although a much smaller range of power). Electric motors are similar in that they have a much higher amount of torque, but a much larger range of that torque. So again, I assumed a 20 horsepower (is that what the electric motors have?) electric motor would have enough torque to reverse a heavy trailer at low speeds. My mistake for making an assumption

 

[GPSMan]

It's what Ford (and you and I) can realistically rely on. It's about managing expectations and complaints.

I'm confident a hybrid Maverick will tow 4000 lbs just fine in 98% of situations.

Ford is confident a hybrid Maverick will tow 2000 lbs in 99.99% of situations.

And you are correct. The electric motors are NEVER EVER run at their maximum technical rating. This is for a number of reasons. Some being limited ability to cool, wire size, battery size, and for preservation of lifespan.

As tested on the road, maximum power in EV mode with engine off is 22 horsepower. Period. So it matter not how the motor tests out on a bench. As installed in the Maverick, you get 22 EV horsepower. This is why you have to granny it putzing around neighborhoods and parking lots and pulling away from stop signs to STAY in EV horsepower. So now you know what 22 HP feels like.

When the engine is already running, you can have double, about 44 HP electric going to the wheels, because the programming does not have to hold power in reserve for starting the engine. In reverse you MAY have 44 HP if the engine is running. But that's the maximum. Remind me to test some day.

 

[Hoagus]

I don't know what gave you that idea. Probably read some internet page.

We had a 2019 Rav4 Hybrid. After two years it got rear-ended and insurance gave use full MSRP. Couldn't find a Rav4 on a lot in 2021 so we upgraded to the Venza Hybrid which is the same powertrain as the Rav4, just in a prettier package. Same instrument cluster in both.

There is a power meter screen on the center cluster you must have never looked at. It displays power to each wheel in real time.

Power goes to the rear wheels EVERY SINGLE ACCELERATION. 4 wheel drive is how they distribute power TO PREVENT wheel slip, not to remedy wheel slip.

You need 80 horsepower to accelerate briskly. Much better, much safer, to send 20 HP to 4 wheels, vs. 40 HP to just the front wheels.


This site can be fun AND educational.

I watched an extensive video where they put the RAV4 up on rollers to see when the rear wheels got powered. It took more than a little slippage in the other wheels to make it happen. Yours must be different.

 

[Eagle11]

Place your Hybrid into Sport Mode, the rated power rating I feel is underrated.

 

[GPSMan]

I watched an extensive video where they put the RAV4 up on rollers to see when the rear wheels got powered. It took more than a little slippage in the other wheels to make it happen. Yours must be different.

Or your model year was.
The 2019 and 2021 behave the same.

4WD for every launch / accelerate.
Then FWD biased for cruising.

 

[Vaportrail]

I smoked a newer Toyota Hybrid Rav 4 from a stoplight earlier today.

Rav 4 hybrid 0-60 in 7ish seconds

Maverick hybrid 0-60 in 7ish seconds

You must have split second reaction time...

 

[sprubs]

Or your model year was.
The 2019 and 2021 behave the same.

4WD for every launch / accelerate.
Then FWD biased for cruising.

I can confirm the rav4 prime is the same in that the rear motor engages in many acceleration situations where there is no slippage or even risk of slippage because I'm not accelerating hard.

Also, my prime will absolutely smoke my Mav hybrid as well as many other vehicles off the line. It's 300hp with lots of instant torque.

That's not to say I don't live driving my Mav. It's a fun truck to drive around and it's no slouch.


As to driving modes, does eco mode have more Regen than normal mode? I tried to test it recently and I thought maybe it did but I find messing with that setting while driving is annoying because I have to look at the display while moving which I don't like to do for long. Sport mode def seemed like it had more Regen.

This would actually be the different compared to my prime which has increasing Regen as you go from eco to normal to sport.

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