Flock makes changes amid backlash of license plate reader network..🤔

[BK007]

Wonder if this will work?

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[jonshep]

IMO we are making a problem out of a non-problem. I got hit at an intersection a few years back. I had a left turn light and an elderly gentleman ran the light. I saw what was happening and came to an immediate stop. He didn't stop and didn't attempt to steer away. He just came straight ahead a caught about a foot of my front bumper with his Cadillac. I had to replace the bumper and a headlight. He lost the full front quarter of his caddy. I think he had a health issue that morning. He admitted he had run the stop sign so there was not an issue, and there was a camera at the intersection.
I think the cameras are a good idea if they help solve crimes or clarify accident fault. The link BK007 posted for the YT video on the Constitutionally of the cameras is a very good analysis. No matter what the intent, someone will find a way to adulterate the good they serve.

 

[Blue_Max]

Flock helps protect me. I'm not doing anything in public that I am embarrassed or ashamed of.

It has been documented that Flock's AI can mistake someone else for you and sends the cops after you to arrest you wrongfully. Also, it can help a cop who decides to stalk you (but for no longer than 30 days now, I guess).
How does Flock protect you?

 

[Blue_Max]

The link BK007 posted for the YT video on the Constitutionally of the cameras is a very good analysis. No matter what the intent, someone will find a way to adulterate the good they serve.

Then why make it easy for them? This is mass, warrantless surveillance. It will link more and more databases. You don't actually have to commit a crime to be declared a criminal or dangerous.

 

[rick52]

Flock cameras, Wally World invading my privacy?? I'm out in public and I expect no right to privacy. I sometimes look up at the Wally World camera, smile and wave - I'm just acknowledging their existence, hoping the person smiles. Wally World was instrumental in finding who took my wallet. I appreciate that. Flock helps protect me. I'm not doing anything in public that I am embarrassed or ashamed of.

I draw the line at my home. I demand privacy and I will actively defend it.

Rhetorical question: Is your dash cam invading every-bodies privacy? Oh, I see! It's OK if you do it to others (for the same reason), but it shouldn't be done to you.

To me, this subject is much ado about nothing. I'm glad I'm not concerned about it. I have other things to worry about, Maverick, for one.

Wait until your insurance company cancels you or raises your premiums based on data captured through various “public information “.

 

[BK007]

 

[Cherokee]

I guess you didn't read about the cases of wrongful arrest due to Flock cameras. There are multiple links provided in this topic.

I can afford a good attorney, so not concerned.
Plus I don’t readily believe stories like that, especially since news reporting became entertainment.

With mamas boys in basements and A. I. Teaming up to get great You-Tube hits and knowing what I know about advanced surveillance I feel perfectly safe from false arrest.
I’m not one to fear anything.

“ Dozens of U.S. cities are canceling contracts with Flock Safety automated license plate readers due to mounting bipartisan backlash over privacy rights, unauthorized police tracking, and fears that local vehicle data could be shared for federal immigration enforcement or unauthorized surveillance.”

Besides I think they’d make great targets
Donchaknow :’P

 

[Hootbro]

Cognitive Dissonance

 

[jonshep]

Wait until your insurance company cancels you or raises your premiums based on data captured through various “public information “.

My insurance is already increasing due to my age. I can't hide that either. Data collected by your vehicle is being sold to data companies who combine that info with other available info, produce an analysis and resell it to insurance companies, and they don't need a camera or video. Data collectors are working furiously on AI systems to automate the analysis. I fully expect to be called in for reorientation summer camp when this activity becomes automated.

 

[rick52]

My insurance is already increasing due to my age. I can't hide that either. Data collected by your vehicle is being sold to data companies who combine that info with other available info, produce an analysis and resell it to insurance companies, and they don't need a camera or video. Data collectors are working furiously on AI systems to automate the analysis. I fully expect to be called in for reorientation summer camp when this activity becomes automated.

I agree with you 100%, but surrending is not the answer.

 

[Lone Ridr]

It has been documented that Flock's AI can mistake someone else for you and sends the cops after you to arrest you wrongfully. Also, it can help a cop who decides to stalk you (but for no longer than 30 days now, I guess).
How does Flock protect you?

According to Flock Safety, their automated license plate reader cameras help law enforcement assist in solving approximately 700,000 to 1 million crimes each year. The company reports that its technology supports over 1 million criminal investigations annually and contributes to roughly 10% to 20% of solved or cleared crime cases in jurisdictions where the cameras are installed. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key Statistics and Scope

• • Annual Impact: Roughly 700,000–1,000,000 crimes aided per year.
  • National Reach: Over 120,000 cameras active across more than 6,000 communities in 49 states.
  • Missing Persons: Helped locate over 10,000 missing persons in recent tracking periods.
  • Types of Cases: Frequently used to track stolen vehicles, violent felony suspects, missing children, and drive-by shootings. [1, 2, 3]

Ongoing Debates

• • Police & Manufacturer Claims: Law enforcement agencies frequently defend the technology as an essential investigative tool that drastically cuts down vehicle theft and speeds up clearances. [1, 2]
  • Criticism: Privacy advocates and grassroots community groups argue that the company's statistics are self-reported or "cherry-picked" anecdotes. Critics point out that independent or academic proof showing a direct drop in overall violent crime rates remains scarce, and express heavy concern over mass location tracking and potential database misuse.

 

[Lone Ridr]

Wait until your insurance company cancels you or raises your premiums based on data captured through various “public information “.

I just got a refund check from State Farm - lowered rates. I'm insignificant in the eyes of the world, pretty sure they have bigger fish to fry. I'm not looking under rocks. like some people, for perceived boogeymen.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Boogeymen.
You don't have to look under rocks.
You only have to look up on poles or they're riding around in SUV's

 

[Blue_Max]

According to Flock Safety, their automated license plate reader cameras help law enforcement assist in solving approximately 700,000 to 1 million crimes each year. The company reports that its technology supports over 1 million criminal investigations annually and contributes to roughly 10% to 20% of solved or cleared crime cases in jurisdictions where the cameras are installed. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key Statistics and Scope

• • Annual Impact: Roughly 700,000–1,000,000 crimes aided per year.
  • National Reach: Over 120,000 cameras active across more than 6,000 communities in 49 states.
  • Missing Persons: Helped locate over 10,000 missing persons in recent tracking periods.
  • Types of Cases: Frequently used to track stolen vehicles, violent felony suspects, missing children, and drive-by shootings. [1, 2, 3]

Ongoing Debates

• • Police & Manufacturer Claims: Law enforcement agencies frequently defend the technology as an essential investigative tool that drastically cuts down vehicle theft and speeds up clearances. [1, 2]
  • Criticism: Privacy advocates and grassroots community groups argue that the company's statistics are self-reported or "cherry-picked" anecdotes. Critics point out that independent or academic proof showing a direct drop in overall violent crime rates remains scarce, and express heavy concern over mass location tracking and potential database misuse.

Well, if AI says Flock says Flock is all good, then I'm certainly satisfied. How were any crimes ever solved before Flock?

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Well, if AI says Flock says Flock is all good, then I'm certainly satisfied. How were any crimes ever solved before Flock?

My question isn't whether flock helps solve crimes.
My question is how many more innocent people have been targeted by flock, versus the time before flock cameras?

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