Failed Brakes

[starchie]

We ordered a new Maverick with the Ford Pilot 360 which suppose to brake if senses a collison. Daughter was going 23 mph between city blocks and tried to brake at a red light, the brakes did not work and neither did the Pilot 360. All caught on dash cam. The collison repair shop said, this was second Maverick he had to repair from a collison, the first one slammed into the back of another vehicle. Insurance company still doing test on totaled vehicle, I have filed a report with National Transportation Safety and I don't want another Ford or this one. Don't trust brakes. Anyone else have problems with brakes?

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[RR - All the way]

I believe I would wait for test results before making a decision on Ford. Children do not always tell Dad the complete story on something like this. I know I probably would not have in that situation. I could very well be wrong in your case, and I hope I am. But, just saying............

No problem with brakes on mine.

 

[commadorebob]

Assuming this isn't a drive-by thread, that collision repair shop seen more instances than I have. And people on here have admitted to lighting their truck on fire by ignoring all of the warnings on the instrument cluster.

Glad your daughter is okay.

I have had the opposite experience with my Maverick. Brakes have their usual Ford oversensitivity. I've owned Dodge's where you would have to stand on the brake to get it to trigger.

 

[realshelby]

Not to indicate there isn't anything wrong.
But brakes.....just don't NOT work on a new vehicle. They may not seem to stop the vehicle, they may not feel right ( abs kicking in for instance). But brakes ARE mechanical and if you push on the foot pedal it will push fluid into the calipers to slow the vehicle. There are warning systems to tell you if brake fluid is low, or if pressure drops indicate a failure. All before you need to test the actual brakes.
NO braking at all could indicate the brake pedal was not pushed. Don't know about the emergency braking system, that could be an issue. No real information is posted about any of this beyond there was contact with another vehicle.
If your daughter is ok, that is all that really matters. Maybe more facts will come out of this later.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

Glad to hear that your Daughter is OK. Since our Mavericks are equipped with an Event Data Recorder, FMC should be able to determine what happened.

HRG

 

[dalola]

Agreed, lets get the facts & truth before convictions.

 

[colinl]

there is a lot of data in the 'blackbox'.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro...-understanding-event-data-recorders/index.htm

I am very confident the brakes didn't fail, but if you really want to know, ask your Ford dealer to retrieve the data log and pay whatever they ask for this service. I doubt anyone will get the data for you for free, because honestly this type of situation happens every day.

your daughter may be 100% convinced she pushed the brake hard. there is a very, very high chance she did not. accidents happen. pushing the wrong pedal can cause panic and confusion. unintended acceleration and failed brakes generally do not happen. accelerators getting stuck on floor mats or unsecured objects going under the brake pedal do happen.

hybrid regenerative braking definitely feels weird when you're not used to it, and it stops at some point to let the regular brakes engage. if you're decelerating with regen and don't have your foot on the brake pedal or don't push it, you'll keep rolling when the regeneration stops.

brakes can fail - the hoses are definitely the most likely cause, and this is easily found in a post-crash inspection. issues with the ABS controller or brake cylinder are also possible. but these things are very rare. it probably was driver error and it's ok if it was.

 

[sundog]

What were the road conditions? Pre-collision assist may not work if the camera is obstructed. At the very least the car will have recorded the state of the various safety systems, the speed in the 5 seconds before the crash, if the car was braking, and for how long.

 

[CurtisB]

Get the black box data. That will get you closer to the answer and solutions even if Ford is at fault. Hope you and your family is ok moving forward.

 

[XL Hybrid Cactus Gray]

Used to be an Auto Claims Adjuster.

Had an elderly lady claim her brakes failed when reversing from a parking spot.

Long story short, she never pressed the brake.
Her foot pressed the gas, and when she panicked, she floored the gas, thinking it was the brake.
Hit 5 parked cars and a large sign with landscaping.

Just over $100k in liability damages.

Cost insurance over $4k fee to Mercedes Dealer just to pull the black box data and confirm this.

She denied all of it (truly believed she pressed the brake) and refused to ever drive her car again.
We paid for 4 months of a rental car while waiting for official dealer results.

Expensive nonsense.

 

[colinl]

Cost insurance over $4k fee to Mercedes Dealer just to pull the black box data and confirm this.

It has to be that expensive because everyone would want to see it for any kind of minor claim.

However considering this is not 1990 (when this capability first was available) and we have FordPass and LTE modems in every truck, I don't see why FoMoCo couldn't someday provide this for a more reasonable fee. The raw data is hard (almost impossible) for a layman to interpret.

But I think it would be easy to teach ChatGPT how to read the data- send it there to generate a result that normal people can read, and charge $100 for the service. Of course being in ChatGPT you could and likely would then have others trying to mine the data for their own purposes.

 

[710-oil-614]

All caught on dash cam.

Until I see even a follow up post from OP I'm going to put this one in the BS department.

I'll transfer it back accordingly if OP comes back through with any evidence.

EDIT: Glad the Maverick did it's job and protected your daughter, regardless of fault.

 

[Clarkdonbran]

I default to Occam. Texting or Tik Tok.

 

[MaverickMom]

Assuming this isn't a drive-by thread, that collision repair shop seen more instances than I have. And people on here have admitted to lighting their truck on fire by ignoring all of the warnings on the instrument cluster.

I like the ""drive-by thread" comment. Been seeing more of those. I would like to see the dash-cam footage from this? I know my son was in the 22 bronco stopped at a light with a car in front of him and he accidently slipped off the brake and the bronco bumped the car in front at idle speed. He said "the collision detect didn't work!" I asked, "were you too close to the car in front of you? I doubt the collision had an opportunity to detect in time." dash cam showed he was way too close and since there was no damage to either vehicle, likely the collision avoidance didn't even have time to engage.

 

[Aherpa]

We ordered a new Maverick with the Ford Pilot 360 which suppose to brake if senses a collison. Daughter was going 23 mph between city blocks and tried to brake at a red light, the brakes did not work and neither did the Pilot 360. All caught on dash cam. The collison repair shop said, this was second Maverick he had to repair from a collison, the first one slammed into the back of another vehicle. Insurance company still doing test on totaled vehicle, I have filed a report with National Transportation Safety and I don't want another Ford or this one. Don't trust brakes. Anyone else have problems with brakes?

Do you know how the 'pre-collison system' was configured? It has several options, one is to basically do nothing but warn the driver. . . Another is to brake only and another involves evasive steering. I have mine configured to brake only. . . .

The pre-collision system on my Maverick went off once and it did nothing but warn me. . . I was meeting a semi loaded with scrap metal on a two lane highway. He was moving fast and put out a strong wake of air which shook the truck but otherwise there was no danger of a collision. . . . We got about half-way past each other and the pre-collision system blared a warning on the audio system and flashed a message on the dash but, other than that, it did nothing.

I don't no why it didn't brake but I was actually glad it did not, because there was a vehicle behind me and I don't know if Ford lights up the brake lights in that scenario. I know they do not come on when the truck slows down using ACC so I'm suspicious that they would not come on here either.

Every chance I get I ask Ford to apply the simple software fix to make the brake lights come on when the ACC slows the vehicle for traffic. Are you reading this Ford?

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