F-150 Lightning EV Canceled. EREV Hybrid Lightning Replacement Announced

[First Sergeant]

Ford does not advertise it is ok to drink and drive.

Tesla advertises it is OK to take your hands off the wheel and for long intervals.

You've made no point here.

Locomotives cannot drive themselves in this day and age. No. No human interaction for 60 seconds and they shut down. "Dead man switch". (Maybe this has been shortened to 30 seconds now?)

Airplane manufacturers get sued frequently. And I don't think they can auto land and auto take-off. (by rules for safety, though the technology exists)

My point was people should be smart enough to know the Tesla is not a car you can sleep in while driving it. Common sense should prevail, but lawyers have ruined that concept. Let me educate you on one point. I am more than qualified as a locomotive engineer for over 20 years and my son is still an engineer. Yes. they do now have an "auto pilot" of sorts. Sit down, push a few buttons train moves, maintains speed. You monitor the instrument's. It's a shitty, poor, sometimes very non-functional piece of equipment. Don't fall asleep, sounds easy, but it can be hard at 0300 cruising through the canyons. No longer called "dead man switch" or "pedal". That went out many years before I started working on the railroad in 1994. The newer item is called an "alerter", a loud beeping noise starts building to a crescendo every minute or two (depends on how fast you are moving) Also, a bright yellow light starts blinking at the top of the cab, speeding up to a strobe and turning to a red color before it will finally apply air brakes and stop the train (NOT an emergency stop, only full service stop). When all this initially starts you can avoid the things listed above just by pushing the yellow alerter button on the console and everything is normal, train just keeps moving. These days an automatic alert message is sent to the dispatcher and he will call and want to know why you have stopped (most of the time assumes you have dozed off). A report is auto generated and sent to your supervisor. Back to my point. I don't think people are responsible enough to drive these self driving rigs. But if they do and can't stay awake it's on them! I have searched and all I can find is Florida and California who are suing with these lawsuits. I personally don't like the idea of self driving cars, just for the reasons we have discussed. Just make them "regular" driving cars and then those folks can find another excuse to sue someone for their own lack of scruples, morals and sense of responsibility.

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[TwoTone]

California - makes more money than every other country in the world except China. About tied with the whole country of Japan.

First off false, it's moved up to 4th, not 2nd.
You like to ignore that Texas is 8th

But why is that. You are on the west coast of the US and as such a gateway for a huge portion of the trade coming into the US. If you honestly think that has nothing to do with it, you're special. Take CA, make it's own country somewhere else and it's nothing special.
Add in the weather and population and that's another factor.

You also forget- " To make things worse, the $17.7 billion shortfall could balloon to an annual $35 billion by fiscal year 2027-28, as spending continues to grow and debts come due, the office warned in its annual fiscal outlook. "

As your loony toon leaders keep pushing stupid shit and more companies leave to get out from under the boot of CAs ridiculous policies, it's going to get much worse.

Funny how Texas the 8th largest economy is in a completely opposite position to CA.
"Texas has nearly $24 billion surplus and projected to have more than $28 billion in rainy day fund"

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

First off false, it's moved up to 4th, not 2nd.

Your reading skills need improvement.
I said "every other country" (which means besides ours). And I said "about tied with Japan". True statements.

But thanks for reinforcing my point.

Have a great holiday!

 

[Dad]

Isn’t this the Maverick forum?

Quite right, but some Maverick people have been wondering if Ford will ever build an all-electric Maverick. This announcement by Ford should end that discussion.

 

[JonP_Maine]

I have always believed the auto industry really missed the boat with the advent of EVs with the possible exception of Toyota. If it were my call, I would have all in on hybrids getting folks used to the benefits of having an electric engine for addition HP and Torque before trying to take on range anxiety fears head on.

There is still a fair degree of ignorance out there too which the industry has done a poor job addressing. Toyota did a survey and found only 18% of people with plug in hybrids actually plug them in to charge. That's insane. There is also a large percentage of owners that use fast charging but don't charge at home which is also insane. Using an EV that is charged at home is extremely economical and if you run a cost/benefit analysis on most EVs vs. gas-powered vehicles, the cost to operate for the life of the vehicle usually comes in less expensive. I say usually because some of them are truly nuts. I looked at a chevy Silverado EV recently,; crazy range, crazy power but very heavy and a price tag for the one I looked at a mere $78,000. Ha! Pass!

In addition to the Maverick, I own a 2017 Chevy Volt (2nd gen) It is a marvelous little car. It gets about 53 miles on electric then another 350 or so using gas. It isn't a traditional hybrid, as the gas engine is really a gas "generator" powering the electric motor. I have seen ZERO battery degradation in this vehicle and it has all the bells and whistles a 2017 vehicle could offer; heated everything, power everything...etc.

Before it was discontinued in 2019 Chevy didn't sell a ton of them and didn't make much money on them either. Now, I hear a lot of people want one. I got mine on Carmax earlier this year for about $2000 below book and 22K miles. Bonus: I have a 1200 watt solar array on my garage roof and charge the Volt (at 120 volts, 8 amps) overnight for free so all of my little trips around town cost me nada. Last week, I switched over to gas for a couple days because I hadn't used any gas for a couple months

I've been a solar buff for years installing the array on my garage as well as just completing a 10K array on my main house. (Waiting for the inspection from the power company before it can go live) I have an alternator charger (Ecoflow) installed in the Maveric paired with an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus in back. When the alternator charger isn't charging the power station, I have it set to maintain the battery in the Maverick. I do limit charging to 300 watts and the charger wont switch on if it reads less than 13 amps from the batter (i.e. the engine has to be running)

Even being an electricity nerd and while I love the idea of an all electric vehicle and really like the technology, the infrastructure is lacking. I live in Maine and there are very few charging stations plus the cold environment really degrades performance in Winter.

So I don't think EVs are the immediate future. I think hybrids are.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I have always believed the auto industry really missed the boat with the advent of EVs with the possible exception of Toyota. If it were my call, I would have all in on hybrids getting folks used to the benefits of having an electric engine for addition HP and Torque before trying to take on range anxiety fears head on.

There is still a fair degree of ignorance out there too which the industry has done a poor job addressing. Toyota did a survey and found only 18% of people with plug in hybrids actually plug them in to charge. That's insane. There is also a large percentage of owners that use fast charging but don't charge at home which is also insane. Using an EV that is charged at home is extremely economical and if you run a cost/benefit analysis on most EVs vs. gas-powered vehicles, the cost to operate for the life of the vehicle usually comes in less expensive. I say usually because some of them are truly nuts. I looked at a chevy Silverado EV recently,; crazy range, crazy power but very heavy and a price tag for the one I looked at a mere $78,000. Ha! Pass!

In addition to the Maverick, I own a 2017 Chevy Volt (2nd gen) It is a marvelous little car. It gets about 53 miles on electric then another 350 or so using gas. It isn't a traditional hybrid, as the gas engine is really a gas "generator" powering the electric motor. I have seen ZERO battery degradation in this vehicle and it has all the bells and whistles a 2017 vehicle could offer; heated everything, power everything...etc.

Before it was discontinued in 2019 Chevy didn't sell a ton of them and didn't make much money on them either. Now, I hear a lot of people want one. I got mine on Carmax earlier this year for about $2000 below book and 22K miles. Bonus: I have a 1200 watt solar array on my garage roof and charge the Volt (at 120 volts, 8 amps) overnight for free so all of my little trips around town cost me nada. Last week, I switched over to gas for a couple days because I hadn't used any gas for a couple months

I've been a solar buff for years installing the array on my garage as well as just completing a 10K array on my main house. (Waiting for the inspection from the power company before it can go live) I have an alternator charger (Ecoflow) installed in the Maveric paired with an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus in back. When the alternator charger isn't charging the power station, I have it set to maintain the battery in the Maverick. I do limit charging to 300 watts and the charger wont switch on if it reads less than 13 amps from the batter (i.e. the engine has to be running)

Even being an electricity nerd and while I love the idea of an all electric vehicle and really like the technology, the infrastructure is lacking. I live in Maine and there are very few charging stations plus the cold environment really degrades performance in Winter.

So I don't think EVs are the immediate future. I think hybrids are.

Plus, the Gen 2 Chevy Volt used regular gas instead of Premium, like the gen 1.

I remember my wife's reaction, when I brought my first Volt home from San Jose California.
She couldn't believe I brought home a plug in hybrid, when I had never even talked about one. The concept intrigued me and surprise me.

 

[HeyBales]

I have always believed the auto industry really missed the boat with the advent of EVs with the possible exception of Toyota. If it were my call, I would have all in on hybrids getting folks used to the benefits of having an electric engine for addition HP and Torque before trying to take on range anxiety fears head on.

There is still a fair degree of ignorance out there too which the industry has done a poor job addressing. Toyota did a survey and found only 18% of people with plug in hybrids actually plug them in to charge. That's insane. There is also a large percentage of owners that use fast charging but don't charge at home which is also insane. Using an EV that is charged at home is extremely economical and if you run a cost/benefit analysis on most EVs vs. gas-powered vehicles, the cost to operate for the life of the vehicle usually comes in less expensive. I say usually because some of them are truly nuts. I looked at a chevy Silverado EV recently,; crazy range, crazy power but very heavy and a price tag for the one I looked at a mere $78,000. Ha! Pass!

In addition to the Maverick, I own a 2017 Chevy Volt (2nd gen) It is a marvelous little car. It gets about 53 miles on electric then another 350 or so using gas. It isn't a traditional hybrid, as the gas engine is really a gas "generator" powering the electric motor. I have seen ZERO battery degradation in this vehicle and it has all the bells and whistles a 2017 vehicle could offer; heated everything, power everything...etc.

Before it was discontinued in 2019 Chevy didn't sell a ton of them and didn't make much money on them either. Now, I hear a lot of people want one. I got mine on Carmax earlier this year for about $2000 below book and 22K miles. Bonus: I have a 1200 watt solar array on my garage roof and charge the Volt (at 120 volts, 8 amps) overnight for free so all of my little trips around town cost me nada. Last week, I switched over to gas for a couple days because I hadn't used any gas for a couple months

I've been a solar buff for years installing the array on my garage as well as just completing a 10K array on my main house. (Waiting for the inspection from the power company before it can go live) I have an alternator charger (Ecoflow) installed in the Maveric paired with an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus in back. When the alternator charger isn't charging the power station, I have it set to maintain the battery in the Maverick. I do limit charging to 300 watts and the charger wont switch on if it reads less than 13 amps from the batter (i.e. the engine has to be running)

Even being an electricity nerd and while I love the idea of an all electric vehicle and really like the technology, the infrastructure is lacking. I live in Maine and there are very few charging stations plus the cold environment really degrades performance in Winter.

So I don't think EVs are the immediate future. I think hybrids are.

What's the % of survey respondents living in apartments/condos with no or not well priced parking lot charging options?

Local paper here has done surveys in the past - always curious why no one thought to include questions about where vehicle is parked at night and what's available.

I could see why only 18% of PHEV Toyota's only plug-in to charge - others have no means, but they bought it for what they hope will happen.
Of course with financial sense being in short supply - also no surprise they don't recognize the cost of toating around a heavy mostly discharged battery, and bigger upfront cost for something they may not ever be able to use, because that same financial sense ain't getting them out of the apartment in 4-5 years.

 

[cavemold]

I think the main issues was price and no truck driver wants sit and wait plus having a ev you gotta plan out your charging space and when you will be able do it. Thats hard for blue collar workers

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Addition The landing airport had to be equipped for category 3 landings.
Lockheed L1011 was a passenger plane certified for cat. 3 landings.
the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar was renowned for its advanced systems, being the first widebody airliner certified for Category IIIc autoland, allowing for completely blind, "zero-zero" landings (zero visibility/height) using its sophisticated Avionics Flight Control System (AFCS) and Direct Lift Control (DLC). This made it incredibly capable in bad weather, significantly reducing diversions, a major technological leap for its time.
Now let's bring this up to current day general aviation


Emergency backup is completely false.
Clark county NV had a fleet of Chevy Gen 1 Volts they were never plugged in.
My old neighbor bought one at TNT auction the county had. It was appliance white. I had a brown gen 1 at the same time. As far as I know he never had a problem with it.
The engine in the Chevy Volt was not an "emergency backup only" component; it was a fully integrated range extender that automatically engaged to power a generator and, in some circumstances, assist in directly driving the wheels. This design allowed the car to function as an electric vehicle with an extended range, eliminating "range anxiety" for long trips. The system was designed for routine, continuous use on longer journeys, not just for "emergency" situations, providing a seamless driving experience regardless of the battery's charge level.

You old guys (well older than me anyway) could use some improved reading comprehensive skills. You spent too much time trying to "prove" something I didn't actually say was somehow "wrong".

 

[72Maverick]

I have always believed the auto industry really missed the boat with the advent of EVs with the possible exception of Toyota. If it were my call, I would have all in on hybrids getting folks used to the benefits of having an electric engine for addition HP and Torque before trying to take on range anxiety fears head on.

There is still a fair degree of ignorance out there too which the industry has done a poor job addressing. Toyota did a survey and found only 18% of people with plug in hybrids actually plug them in to charge. That's insane. There is also a large percentage of owners that use fast charging but don't charge at home which is also insane. Using an EV that is charged at home is extremely economical and if you run a cost/benefit analysis on most EVs vs. gas-powered vehicles, the cost to operate for the life of the vehicle usually comes in less expensive. I say usually because some of them are truly nuts. I looked at a chevy Silverado EV recently,; crazy range, crazy power but very heavy and a price tag for the one I looked at a mere $78,000. Ha! Pass!

In addition to the Maverick, I own a 2017 Chevy Volt (2nd gen) It is a marvelous little car. It gets about 53 miles on electric then another 350 or so using gas. It isn't a traditional hybrid, as the gas engine is really a gas "generator" powering the electric motor. I have seen ZERO battery degradation in this vehicle and it has all the bells and whistles a 2017 vehicle could offer; heated everything, power everything...etc.

Before it was discontinued in 2019 Chevy didn't sell a ton of them and didn't make much money on them either. Now, I hear a lot of people want one. I got mine on Carmax earlier this year for about $2000 below book and 22K miles. Bonus: I have a 1200 watt solar array on my garage roof and charge the Volt (at 120 volts, 8 amps) overnight for free so all of my little trips around town cost me nada. Last week, I switched over to gas for a couple days because I hadn't used any gas for a couple months

I've been a solar buff for years installing the array on my garage as well as just completing a 10K array on my main house. (Waiting for the inspection from the power company before it can go live) I have an alternator charger (Ecoflow) installed in the Maveric paired with an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus in back. When the alternator charger isn't charging the power station, I have it set to maintain the battery in the Maverick. I do limit charging to 300 watts and the charger wont switch on if it reads less than 13 amps from the batter (i.e. the engine has to be running)

Even being an electricity nerd and while I love the idea of an all electric vehicle and really like the technology, the infrastructure is lacking. I live in Maine and there are very few charging stations plus the cold environment really degrades performance in Winter.

So I don't think EVs are the immediate future. I think hybrids are.

I picked up a lease return Gen 1 Volt from Carvana a few years ago. That was my first experience with EV/hybrid technology. Drove it for 6 years and about 65,000 miles, lifetime average 180 mpg. I Can see why a plug in EV just makes more sense for the average driver. Always charged it at home, rarely used any gas unless I was traveling. The Volt was not a cheap car to build and was not built cheaply. Too bad people just never warmed up to or fully understood the ground breaking technology because Chevrolet never promoted or advertised how the car could fit so well with so many drivers. Maybe Ford can put the technology in a truck for the masses at a realistic price point. I think it would be "Mav-fest" all over again.

 

[JonP_Maine]

Living situation is certainly a factor but the point is it is a pretty big number. This is how Toyota responded:

A knock on plug-in hybrid vehicles has consistently been that their owners don’t always take advantage of their onboard energy storage to drive under less-polluting electric power as much as possible. New research from Toyota’s science arm suggests that one effective way to improve those numbers is both inexpensive and polite.

The Toyota Research Institute’s Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence division has developed a prototype smartphone app it calls ChargeMinder. When paired with a PHEV or electric vehicle, the app delivers just-in-time “gentle” reminders to charge up when the driver has an opportunity and the vehicle is near a familiar charge point based on charging patterns.

Built upon behavioral science research, ChargeMinder is “a very simple thing: It doesn’t yell at you. It just gently reminds you, ‘You might want to plug in your PHEV,’ ”

Toyota researchers found those gentle interventions prompted “a substantial increase” of 10 percent in PHEV recharging, Pratt said, with very little cost in the form of a smartphone app. In testing in Japan, Toyota said the app helped shift the charging habits of PHEV and EV owners to peak renewable energy hours by 59 percent, adding nearly 30 minutes of daytime charging per vehicle, per day.

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