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[KevCuRaoi]

I see your point BUT I find it hard to believe Ford NEEDS to take DOUBLE the amount of orders it can make to be able to keep trucks flowing. There has to be a middle ground. Do they have double the orders they can make on other vehicles too? I hope not. Seems irresponsible to me.

I agree!!

We only get a limited amount of information...but I don't think that the miss-match is as bad for any other vehicle line at the moment. (But I wouldn't be surprised if SuperDuty ends up with too many orders as well). The # of fleet orders and how much allocation saved for fleet orders is also something that I've never seen any info on.

Initially, Bronco and Lightning had way more reservations than could be built in 2 model years...but reservations aren't the same as orders.

I don't think Ford intentionally took too many Maverick orders, but wanted to give people a chance to order? Order banks were open for less than a week....I think that they were just not prepared for that many orders.

I'm still hoping that Ford is just being over cautious and will be able to build more Mavericks than we all currently think that they will!

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[Old Ranchero]

As the country song said, I am a Simple Man. My head swims with all of the back and forth and it creates confusion. I would like to lay out a very simple scenario and hopefully get a simple answer in regards to allocation. Here we go.

1. Small town dealer XYZ in Simple, TX has taken only 5 23my orders. To keep it simple, they took 1 XL Hybrid plain, 1 XLT Hybrid loaded, 1 Lariat Hybrid loaded, 1 XL EB plain and 1 Lariat EB loaded. To further simplify it, 1 was taken on first day or order bank opening and 1 each day until it closed. Here is my question.

2. Which of the above five orders gets built in which month? Is it a draw of the cards, order date, order type, etc. I am disregarding other countries, other regions, other dealers, etc. Just keeping it simple.

3. In the above scenario, am I interpreting that based on the 35% Hybrid figure I keep reading about that maybe only 1 of these 3 Hybrids will be built and the other 2 cancelled? Again, keep it simple for us simple folks.

Real world. I ordered one of my two hybrids from my small town TX dealer. I think he said his dealership ordered 9 and mine was the first one. Salesman indicated last week that he has had 2 customers get build dates and both were EB, so I assume Hybrids might be at the back of the line, but not sure.

I can figure out Washington politics about as quickly as I can figure this mess out.

I don't understand why some people are twisting themselves in knots trying to figure out Ford's internal methods of determining what gets built and when, or worse how allocations works at any given point in time? There's absolutely nothing any of us customers can do to bias the process in our favor and no amount of micromanagement of orders changes that. Everyone knows there are more orders than Ford can build and some simply won't get built at all. If people aren't willing to accept that reality before ordering, accepting a long, tortuous process lies ahead (despite what any sales person may claim to get your order) and it's out of your control. It is what it is.

 

[Maverstang]

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I'm not buying the only 35% of hybrids are going to get built. Just my opinion and I might be wrong.

Just to be clear, the Ford commodity plan shows 35% of total MY23 production will be hybrids. No one has said that means 35% of hybrid orders will be built (if they did, then they misspoke).

BTW, your summary of prioritization is correct. Allocations, commodities and Dealer priority rank will determine what gets built.

 

[KevCuRaoi]

I'm not sure even someone at Ford could give you a good answer to that.

This is how I understand it to work:
First it comes down to whether your dealer has an allocation that month. If they do then your priority code at that dealer will determine who gets looked at. If there are two identical orders, then time stamp on the order might come into play.

Once an allocated order is selected the computer will compare what parts are needed to availability. If the parts for the order being looked at are available then it is scheduled. If not it is rejected and the next order in the queue at that dealer is looked at. Wash and repeat.

I'm not buying the only 35% of hybrids are going to get built. Just my opinion and I might be wrong.

And just because hybrids (or anything else) is constrained doesn't mean they are not getting some parts through.

That's pretty close to it! You need to sprinkle some luck and randomness on the process too.

It is my understanding that every week, for every vehicle line, that the dealers are put in a random order for scheduling. Each dealer who has allocation will (possibly) have one vehicle chosen for scheduling. Then it goes back to the beginning of the line, if a dealership has 2 allocations, then all of the orders will be looked at again to find a schedulable order, etc.

So the dealership's (random) place in line for that week's scheduling will also play a roll.

 

[ptsctt]

I went to my dealer as well to see about my lux lariat hybrid rollover and they said they could get me a hybrid xlt without price protection from their allotment. I mentioned that giving them a down payment is a contract (not really sure if it is), I got an email from ford the next week saying I got converted. I'm wondering if 2022 conversion's count against their 2023 allotment and if they get to keep the 2023 conversion that you didn't get.

 

[KevCuRaoi]

I went to my dealer as well to see about my lux lariat hybrid rollover and they said they could get me a hybrid xlt without price protection from their allotment. I mentioned that giving them a down payment is a contract (not really sure if it is), I got an email from ford the next week saying I got converted. I'm wondering if 2022 conversion's count against their 2023 allotment and if they get to keep the 2023 conversion that you didn't get.

Is this an unscheduled 22 that you reordered as 23 in September? Or a cancelled 22 that you had to reorder in November?

A dealer's allocation will be taken up by retail and stock orders. I don't think it really matters if you had an unscheduled 22 and ordered again. I don't think that that has much of an impact on allocation.

For the cancelled 22s that need to be reordered. Ford said that they would increase a dealer's allocation to make up for these.

Ford will schedule build-able Mavericks. So it is possible that a dealer will get stock orders scheduled, and that retails will remain unscheduled (if all of their retails have constrained items and are unscheduleable)

 

[RockHoundTX]

I don't understand why some people are twisting themselves in knots trying to figure out Ford's internal methods of determining what gets built and when, or worse how allocations works at any given point in time? There's absolutely nothing any of us customers can do to bias the process in our favor and no amount of micromanagement of orders changes that. Everyone knows there are more orders than Ford can build and some simply won't get built at all. If people aren't willing to accept that reality before ordering, accepting a long, tortuous process lies ahead (despite what any sales person may claim to get your order) and it's out of your control. It is what it is.

I can speak to this one personally. It is because even though the process is chaotic and likely not fair, it is not completely random. I am sure there are a ton of folks like myself that are on the verge of "needing" a new vehicle. When I first ordered a Maverick over a year ago, it was strictly a "want". After my wife's Ford Focus died this past summer, we are down a vehicle. Given the used car pricing bubble, we decided to try and hold off as long as we can.

We are now at a point where not having another vehicle is a major inconvenience. Used car prices are still way high but are falling. I analyze and scrutinize all the info posted here trying to figure out two things: 1) What are the chances I will ever get a Maverick?, and 2) What is the most likely time to get it?

The best guestimate to these two questions impacts a major buying decision. If it does not look like I will be getting a Maverick, then I will focus my new vehicle on search on a small SUV to meet my purpose of having something I can travel with (hold camping gear, etc.). If there is a good chance that a Maverick will come some time this year (but later), then I will focus on getting a small compact car to replace my wife's Focus and the Maverick will just be an extra. If there is a chance that the Maverick will come in sooner, then that will just become my wife's daily driver. While there are no certainties in life, having at least some direction is important.

So how would I rank the above? Right now I put my chances of ever getting a Maverick XL Hybrid at less than 50% even after waiting over a year. As such, currently putting offers out on small SUVs (but still way apart on price in most instances).

 

[Old Ranchero]

I can speak to this one personally. It is because even though the process is chaotic and likely not fair, it is not completely random. I am sure there are a ton of folks like myself that are on the verge of "needing" a new vehicle. When I first ordered a Maverick over a year ago, it was strictly a "want". After my wife's Ford Focus died this past summer, we are down a vehicle. Given the used car pricing bubble, we decided to try and hold off as long as we can.

We are now at a point where not having another vehicle is a major inconvenience. Used car prices are still way high but are falling. I analyze and scrutinize all the info posted here trying to figure out two things: 1) What are the chances I will ever get a Maverick?, and 2) What is the most likely time to get it?

The best guestimate to these two questions impacts a major buying decision. If it does not look like I will be getting a Maverick, then I will focus my new vehicle on search on a small SUV to meet my purpose of having something I can travel with (hold camping gear, etc.). If there is a good chance that a Maverick will come some time this year (but later), then I will focus on getting a small compact car to replace my wife's Focus and the Maverick will just be an extra. If there is a chance that the Maverick will come in sooner, then that will just become my wife's daily driver. While there are no certainties in life, having at least some direction is important.

So how would I rank the above? Right now I put my chances of ever getting a Maverick XL Hybrid at less than 50% even after waiting over a year. As such, currently putting offers out on small SUVs (but still way apart on price in most instances).

understand your criteria and selection process, but my point was you can't "hurry it up" once you order, even if your criteria changes over time and hope/want/need to get the truck faster than it will likely get built and delivered. It will get there when it gets there...

 

[Jayna]

Not yet but I hear it is in the works. Maybe if full electrics (which at this time are not truly feasible) were not the priority then maybe we would see more hybrids being made as they use so much less raw materials.

Agreed. I think if we were pushing hybrids rather than electric, more folks would be on board. I would.

 

[Old Fart]

Humm, sorry for your luck, we are enjoying our 22 Mav hybrid, waited from 8/18/21 to 9/30/22 to get it delivered and paid for. Stopped at the gas station and pulled up behind an XL Mav EB, first I'd seen in this area sav for ours, just saying that I'm loving the 41 mpg overall that we've been getting out of ours, it's worth the wait.

 

[JimParker256]

Right now I put my chances of ever getting a Maverick XL Hybrid at less than 50% even after waiting over a year. As such, currently putting offers out on small SUVs (but still way apart on price in most instances).

The "Hybrid" part of your order means you have roughly a 48% probability of getting a hybrid of any trim level. Ford took orders for 73% hybrids, and only planned capacity to produce 35% hybrids.

But the "XL" part of your order is also "over-subscribed", since Ford's projected capacity for 15% XL builds turned into orders for 26% XLs. So just ordering an "XL" would mean you have roughly a 53% probability of getting an XL.

But if my math is correct, ordering BOTH Hybrid and XL drops the probability of getting YOUR ordered Maverick to just under 28%. I'd start looking for that other vehicle... Or find an XL on a dealer's lot at a markup you can live with...

 

[Eagle11]

I don't understand why some people are twisting themselves in knots trying to figure out Ford's internal methods of determining what gets built and when, or worse how allocations works at any given point in time? There's absolutely nothing any of us customers can do to bias the process in our favor and no amount of micromanagement of orders changes that. Everyone knows there are more orders than Ford can build and some simply won't get built at all. If people aren't willing to accept that reality before ordering, accepting a long, tortuous process lies ahead (despite what any sales person may claim to get your order) and it's out of your control. It is what it is.

Yeah, Ford has a screwed-up system, BMW's is very simple, each dealer gets X allotment of each model, and each year those numbers go up or down. So at the beginning of the MY, the dealership knows what they are getting. So if you want to order an M340i, the dealer can tell you when it will be built (unless you want to make it a super custom order "BMW calls them BMW Individual, customer colors and interior colors") When I ordered my M5, and BMW's system accepted the order, I knew when it was being built. When I was shipped from the factory to the Shipping yard in Bremerhaven Port. They have it down to a science. Ford.... LOL not so much.

 

[Waterick]

The "Hybrid" part of your order means you have roughly a 48% probability of getting a hybrid of any trim level. Ford took orders for 73% hybrids, and only planned capacity to produce 35% hybrids.

But the "XL" part of your order is also "over-subscribed", since Ford's projected capacity for 15% XL builds turned into orders for 26% XLs. So just ordering an "XL" would mean you have roughly a 53% probability of getting an XL.

But if my math is correct, ordering BOTH Hybrid and XL drops the probability of getting YOUR ordered Maverick to just under 28%. I'd start looking for that other vehicle... Or find an XL on a dealer's lot at a markup you can live with...

Depending on the mark-up It could be cheaper to upgrade to an XLT if you really want to improve your chances of it getting built sooner if at all. (Assuming you can accept the things in an XLT.)

 

[JimParker256]

Depending on the mark-up It could be cheaper to upgrade to an XLT if you really want to improve your chances of it getting built sooner if at all. (Assuming you can accept the things in an XLT.)

But your odds are still not all that great, since it's a hybrid order.
(I'm facing the same thing, with TWO hybrids on order...)

 

[Redneck Garage]

Hey guys!
I've got some shitty news... My sales rep at my local Ford was being a bit evasive

Just an FYI - if you are a frequent visitor to this forum - you are 100% more informed on anything relating to Ford and the Maverick than "your dealer" . Every time I read - I talked to my dealer I want to cringe because dealers are.... well, car dealers. I suggest rather than searching out information from your "evasive sales rep" you continue to stay informed here on this forum - you WILL know more than the guy that doesn't want to see you.

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