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[KevCuRaoi]

I still think it stinks that Ford cant figure out a way to cancel some orders in the next few months they know they cant build. Maybe by canceling orders at dealers that are way over there yearly allocation. I would rather know my order wont be built for 2023 than be strung along then when it hits November 2023 they say any Mav not yet given a vin wont get built in 2023.

Maybe just maybe Ford thinks it can fulfill all hybrid orders ? I know highly doubtful. My understanding is that ford itself I think in MI builds the Ecvt which is the guts of the hybrid and its not that they don't have the capacity but lack of parts and feel that might change during 2023 ? just spit balling.

That's not how it works...... Ford won't cancel orders, because they don't now no which orders will be built and which ones won't.

Allocation at this point is "expected" and subject to change. Let's say a dealer is "expected" to get 50 Mav allocations this year. That would amount to around 18 hybrids and 32 EBs. They have 100 retail orders. 60 hybrids and 40 EBs. Which orders would Ford cancel? We know it is every unlikely that all of the hybrids will be scheduled....but which ones? Maybe all 40 EB will schedule early and they'll only get 10 hybrids. Or if many of the EBs have constrained options and the hybrids don't, maybe 30 hybrids will schedule and 20 EB.

There is no way for a dealer or Ford to know at this point which vehicles will schedule over the entire production cycle of the MY.

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[KevCuRaoi]

What is Ford's logic for that policy by preventing those who weren't fortunate enough to have their 23 builds carried over to 24?

If Ford carried out that policy then it could potentially occur with the same customer, that not only didn't get his truck built for a 24 carry over but it could happen again in 25 if he ordered again i in 24 for the 2005 year.

I don't think the Ford policy exists so they didn't lose money for a carry over. Because the carry over price could be increased for the 23 to 24 carry over at buyer's consent.

Maybe Ford monitors the threads in the forum in order to determine what policies are established.

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Sure you can convert your order to the next MY. They are just telling you upfront not to expect any special rebate/incentive/private offer.

 

[scotty]

I think Ford was just setting the expecations low for roll-overs so that they have the option to not roll anything over. If they DO decide to have some sort of roll-over process between 23 and 24 model year, it would be a "gift" to us all since they can say "Hey, we originally said we would not help you out with a roll-over. Now are are helping you out, so stop complaining."

Your response sounds reasonable.

Too bad there aren't other optional small trucks with same price, Yet.
Hey this was going to be my first automobile/truck purchased and I'm 68 years old.

Hey Ford if you are monitoring my reponse, I believe you could reduce complaints from buyers, by blaming low production on supply shortages of parts. Don't see how customers could blame Ford then, because you have logic on your side.

If Ford thought they had supply shortage then cut off orders to lower numbers when ordered banks opened, and if they Ford has more of a supply then send them to dealers.

Hey been reading a bit about the sodium batteries to be used in cars/trucks. The documentaries say they are more readily available then lithium and at 1/3 the cost.

 

[scotty]

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Let me fix it for you.

"Ford is allocating only a percent of all orders PER DEALER" = Ford is allocating as many production slots as they have capacity for. They are distributing those allocations via a disclosed formula that takes into account prior sales volume.

"A tiny amount of those produced ordered are going to be hybrids" = Ford knows how many hybrid engines/drivetrains they are going to have available. They predict it will be roughly 30-35% of the total production. They have disclosed this. Not a secret.

"If your order is not one of the above mentioned orders, your "Bumped" to next year's order lot" = Wellllll.....yes and no. Ford has said there will be no roll-overs from 23 to 24 model year. So you would need to re-order a 24 when the order banks open.

"They're canceling your 2023 order and will recreate that order for next year, when the order banks open." = See answer above. They (your dealer) should not be canceling anything right now. Your dealer should sit and wait and see what happens with production. Your dealer has no idea if YOUR Maverick will be selected to fill one of their allocations. None of us will know the final answer until Ford has issued the last VIN/scheduled for the last day of production. We wont know that for a few months from now at least.

Just desire to confirm what you said above. Are you stating Ford said buyers not have their trucks built for 23 who placed their orders in September 22 will not receive a roll over for 24, therefore will not receive any preference in the order line for those who placing orders for their first time in 24 when the banks open?

 

[paneubert]

Just desire to confirm what you said above. Are you stating Ford said buyers not have their trucks built for 23 who placed their orders in September 22 will not receive a roll over for 24, therefore will not receive any preference in the order line for those who placing orders for their first time in 24 when the banks open?

Correct. Let me go find the wording that Ford used. I always write these comments without the actual proof and then edit my comment later. Haha.

Edit: Here ya go. Wording in the image in red font.

 

[KevCuRaoi]

Just desire to confirm what you said above. Are you stating Ford said buyers not have their trucks built for 23 who placed their orders in September 22 will not receive a roll over for 24, therefore will not receive any preference in the order line for those who placing orders for their first time in 24 when the banks open?

There really wasn't a "rollover" for 22 -> 23. People had to place a new retail order.
A "rollover", is like what happened to the cancelled 22s....Ford duplicated the orders and transferred to 23, and gave priority.

This is all that Ford has told dealers about 22 -> 24 Maverick (and is consistent w/ what they've said about every other 23 -> 24 vehicle):

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23MY to 24MY: Please note that there is no intention of providing a MY Transition offer for those customers who do not get their 23MY Maverick retail order built and need to re-order a 24MY, regardless of COVP approval status.​

 

[scotty]

There really wasn't a "rollover" for 22 -> 23. People had to place a new retail order.
A "rollover", is like what happened to the cancelled 22s....Ford duplicated the orders and transferred to 23, and gave priority.

This is all that Ford has told dealers about 22 -> 24 Maverick (and is consistent w/ what they've said about every other 23 -> 24 vehicle):

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23MY to 24MY: Please note that there is no intention of providing a MY Transition offer for those customers who do not get their 23MY Maverick retail order built and need to re-order a 24MY, regardless of COVP approval status.​

Thank you for bring that quote to the surface.

Don't know the meaning of COVP.

If you can help me out in understanding that quote. So in summary to make sure I got it straight. According to the quote above, if Ford doesn't build the order placed in September of 22 for the year 23 then there will be no preferred treatment for those who waited to have their truck built in 23 when they place an order for again in 24.

If that is the case then I see no logic on Fords part. None what so ever, because they could do that to the customer again and again, and again each year that the customer was unfortunate to get his order built, if the policy perpetuated itself.

 

[JEMiculka]

Here’s what was submitted for my cancelled MY 22 order by my dealer. Any issues? @fordvideoguy

 

[KevCuRaoi]

Thank you for bring that quote to the surface.

Don't know the meaning of COVP.

If you can help me out in understanding that quote. So in summary to make sure I got it straight. According to the quote above, if Ford doesn't build the order placed in September of 22 for the year 23 then there will be no preferred treatment for those who waited to have their truck built in 23 when they place an order for again in 24.

If that is the case then I see no logic on Fords part. None what so ever, because they could do that to the customer again and again, and again each year that the customer was unfortunate to get his order built, if the policy perpetuated itself.

Customer Order Verification Program (in order to be eligible for scheduling all 22 Mavs had to be verified by Ford (by COVP or ROVP)). The private transition incentive for 22 -> 23 was connected to this.

The quote simply says that they are not planning on offering an incentive ($$) to people whose 23 Maverick is not built for ordering a 24. It says nothing about whether or not they would prioritize unscheduled 23s for 24. They may, or may not. We probably won't know for sure until they announce info for 24 order banks (Aug or Sept 2023??).

 

[KevCuRaoi]

Here’s what was submitted for my cancelled MY 22 order by my dealer. Any issues? @fordvideoguy

I hope they changed the priority code to 10-19!!

Splash guards may hold up the order.

 

[Maverstang]

Someone did the math earlier that suggested the sum of 22 rollovers plus the 6900 re-VIN/no-build rollovers was coming close to the total number of planned 2023 hybrids in the product plan (~30k IIRC).

Logically that should mean all the hybrid rollovers will be built, but it doesn‘t because the revised allocation system shuffles up what dealer orders will actually be built. Some might not make it if a dealers allocation runs out or dealers with no rollovers suck up the production slots.

So the fairest thing to do would be to move all the private offer rollovers orders to Priority 2 once the re-VIN units are built. That would ensure everyone who had a 2022 order gets one before leaving the remaining slots to new 2023 orders. It also would make we, the customers, happy to get some certainty.

Of course the chances of that happening are slim to none…

 

[RockHoundTX]

Am I reading this correctly? You think Ford will have built all of the EB Mavericks by mid June?

Most back of the envelope math points to that being a good possibility (there are at least a dozen threads here debating all the assumptions, sales numbers, roll-overs, etc.). Not sure that it will be "all" since there may still be some constrained EBs but it should be a pretty large percentage.

 

[paneubert]

That is such a wildly hazardous guess. Tell me, how many EB orders were there, and how many EBs do you think Ford can build in a month?

I don't know if you are joking, but the order numbers for EcoBoost versus Hybrid have been published, and so have Ford's planned split percentages for EcoBoost versus Hybrid. I don't have them on hand, but both of the things you are asking for are available. And they are what all the "back of the envelope" estimates are based on.

 

[RockHoundTX]

Thats a valued thought

While allowing hybrid order holders to convert to EB may seem "obvious" from an end-user perspective, it is not so cut-n-dry from a Ford perspective. Ford's customers are the dealerships, not us. Dealerships have been screaming for inventory for over a year. So far, the only ones they can sell are the special orders that have been refused. Last year they were potentially penalized for this if they went over a certain percentage.

Thus, there are three reasons why it actually makes more sense for Ford not to allow hybrids to convert to EB:
1) Appease dealers and make sure they have stock inventory.
2) Ford actually WANTS to show a back-log of hybrid orders. This helps them both politically (can show that they are moving in the direct of EV) and financially (easy to show investors how much demand their is for the product).
3) Stock orders are MUCH easier for Ford to make. Once most of the custom EB orders are made, Ford can use what-ever parts they have on hand to make what-ever EBs they can (in between the custom hybrids). What-ever they make, they then just ship to the dealerships (who are happy to have them even if they don't have a trailer hitch, CP360, etc.).

 

[commadorebob]

Am I reading this correctly? You think Ford will have built all of the EB Mavericks by mid June?

I swear I'm going to write a computer script so I don't have to keep typing this.

Ford told dealerships and multiple dealerships shared with their customers that there were 77,800 unscheduled orders as of November 8, 2022. The percentages given at the time was 32% of orders were EB and 68% of orders were hybrid. So, using the confirmed numbers Ford provided to dealers, we did some basic 4th grade math: what is 32% of 77,800? That is 24,896 unscheduled EB orders (rounded up to the next truck).

Since Ford has been adamant they will be building trucks with 65% of them being EB, and Ford has been averaging 8,500 per month according to public production information. That means 5,525 of those built in a given month will be EB trucks.

So, going back to our 4th grade math, 24,896 remaining EB orders divided by an average build rate of 5,525 EB per month equals EB orders are complete in 4.5 months... from November 8. Considering they were still scheduling December at the time, even pessimistic rates put all EB orders being complete in the middle of May... aka "late Spring."

Now, is there a chance not every EB order is built? Absolutely! Allocation still plays a massive role. If a dealer only ever has allocations for 5 trucks for 2023 and has 6 EB orders, then EB order #6 never gets built... period. However, based on Ford's own numbers, and the anecdotal evidence from people on this forum provided from dealerships around the country, from urban centers like San Francisco to rural area like Ft. Payne, Alabama, what we have seen is the 68% hybrid to 32% EB order ratio is pretty consistent.

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