Charging Cycles

[Elderchuck]

We have only had our hybrid for 1000 miles, but I am surprised by the high number of charging cycles, either braking, going downhill, or just charging at any time. I am curious about the impact on the battery and whether this frequent charging is really necessary? I looked for this topic but could not find a specific question.Would like your thoughts.

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[AutobahnSHO]

The system is designed to keep the battery between 30-70% charge so it lasts a long long time.
The Maverick hybrid very much copies exactly how the Prius and other hybrids work- and they last well.

The trick to best gas mileage is to let the gas engine turn OFF as much as possible- get up to speed then coast on battery at 45mph for a long long time. Brake earlier and more gentle than with other cars to get the best charge but also so if the light turns green or traffic starts to go, you're still at a higher speed than if you screech to a stop every time.

 

[The Real Maverick]

I agree with above.
You can picture your HV battery like a large capacitor because that's kind of how it is used.

Constantly giving and taking charge.

In my most recent trip, 62% of my miles were engine off and 80% of the elapsed time my engine was off.

You've probably experienced this in your life: which is harder to do: push a car from a dead stop? Or maintain a car rolling that is already rolling?

Usually, I will accelerate with gas (the pulse) and then maintain or coast using battery only (the glide).

P&G = Pulse & Glide

Look what it did for me yesterday.
I keep to the right on multi-lanes and maintain the speed limit to 3 over on single lanes.

Look what this does for me.... 5 days a week. (Some 800+ mile tanks)

not a fluke
Next day very similar:

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Coasting/gliding is easier using "slippery mode" w/hybrid

 

[The Real Maverick]

True dat.

 

[Clarkdonbran]

I agree with above.
You can picture your HV battery like a large capacitor because that's kind of how it is used.

Constantly giving and taking charge.

In my most recent trip, 62% of my miles were engine off and 80% of the elapsed time my engine was off.

You've probably experienced this in your life: which is harder to do: push a car from a dead stop? Or maintain a car rolling that is already rolling?

Usually, I will accelerate with gas (the pulse) and then maintain or coast using battery only (the glide).

P&G = Pulse & Glide

Look what it did for me yesterday.
I keep to the right on multi-lanes and maintain the speed limit to 3 over on single lanes.

Look what this does for me.... 5 days a week. (Some 800+ mile tanks)

Incredible numbers! I do the pulse and glide too. I feel way more in control of the vehicle that way.

 

[HeyBales]

We have only had our hybrid for 1000 miles, but I am surprised by the high number of charging cycles, either braking, going downhill, or just charging at any time. I am curious about the impact on the battery and whether this frequent charging is really necessary? I looked for this topic but could not find a specific question.Would like your thoughts.

Is the frequent charging really necessary?

Yes - it's a smallish battery.
You ain't going far very fast just on it.
Even if you had 100% use of it.

Well - maybe a tad longer or faster if the truck used the other 60% of the capacity.

 

[ListedGuru]

I agree with above.
You can picture your HV battery like a large capacitor because that's kind of how it is used.

Constantly giving and taking charge.

In my most recent trip, 62% of my miles were engine off and 80% of the elapsed time my engine was off.

You've probably experienced this in your life: which is harder to do: push a car from a dead stop? Or maintain a car rolling that is already rolling?

Usually, I will accelerate with gas (the pulse) and then maintain or coast using battery only (the glide).

P&G = Pulse & Glide

Look what it did for me yesterday.
I keep to the right on multi-lanes and maintain the speed limit to 3 over on single lanes.

Look what this does for me.... 5 days a week. (Some 800+ mile tanks)

not a fluke
Next day very similar:

So when you say you will accelerate with the gas do you typically feather the gas when accelerating or get up to speed quickly? Let's say from a dead stop do you feather the gas to accelerate using the battery for as long as possible before the ICE kicks on?

 

[HeyBales]

So when you say you will accelerate with the gas do you typically feather the gas when accelerating or get up to speed quickly? Let's say from a dead stop do you feather the gas to accelerate using the battery for as long as possible before the ICE kicks on?

Feathering the gas to use the battery as long as possible - not really a thing.
Unless you mean the Go pedal, since the same pedal uses battery or ICE.
In the context of the comments made - gas is literally gas, not the pedal.

Don't annoy other drivers, or cause accidents - get up to speed respectable. Therefore ICE will be used, unless on back street with no other drivers and another stop 20 ft away.
Same rules for ICE apply - drag stripping it isn't efficient mpg either.

If you reread their comments you'll understand now what they are talking about.
Miles Per Gallon - barely creeping forward to stay on battery under 10% power (15% on 2025), won't lead to many miles on battery.

 

[The Real Maverick]

So when you say you will accelerate with the gas do you typically feather the gas when accelerating or get up to speed quickly? Let's say from a dead stop do you feather the gas to accelerate using the battery for as long as possible before the ICE kicks on?

I don't drag strip it. But I don'r baby it.
Get up to speed like any other driver.
Then lift your foot off the go pedal for ~2 seconds. The gas engine will shut off 99% of the time. Then reapply go pedal gently. It doesn't take much to maintain at 45 mph and under. Use EV coach.

Also there's about a million variables.
But general rule:

Power meter 10% +/- the battery is propelling you.

20-30% range +/- gasoline engine is propelling you.

40% and above BOTH Engine and battery power are propelling you.

If gasoline engine is on and power needle is under 20% then gasoline is propelling you and recharging the battery at the same time.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

So when you say you will accelerate with the gas do you typically feather the gas when accelerating or get up to speed quickly? Let's say from a dead stop do you feather the gas to accelerate using the battery for as long as possible before the ICE kicks on?

One way to observe how getting up to speed quickly is not necessarily bad is to get on a winding slightly uphill & downhill road put in cruise at 40-55 mph with drive/econ/slippery your choice. You can brake or tap X on cruise to disconnect cruise when necessary but tap resume asap. Cruise will resume using up to 40% power maybe more for A SHORT TIME and drop to electric. Depending on road, cruise can get up to 60 mpg at up to 55 mph. You can get better mpg than cruise, of course, by anticipating needed surging/gliding better, but easy way to demonstrate good mpg. Remember all the momentum is actually provided by the ice some of which is saved into HVB from ice generation or recaptured by braking. Using torque from ice without conversion losses into and out of battery is better.

 

[Cherokee]

Coasting/gliding is easier using "slippery mode"

I’m curious to know why this is so.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

I’m curious to know why this is so.

My take is the more regen braking rate requires more go pedal finesse to stay in electric and slippery mode is the least aggressive rate of Regen. NOTE: The optimum coasting/gliding gear with 0% Regen = NEUTRAL! When I am coming home from the south from 3.1 to 0.9 miles I top knoll at 31mph drop into neutral and glide down hill to a lower knoll which eats up gained speed and then slopes downhill to a low water crossing requiring dropping into drive and Regen braking to 18 (+/-) mph followed by fast acceleration to 35 mph then neutral for 700 feet to drop into drive and Regen braking to stop sign. That neutral time adds about 6-8 mpg on my 14.1 mile trip vs just driving in slippery.

 

[Cherokee]

My take is the more regen braking rate requires more go pedal finesse to stay in electric and slippery mode is the least aggressive rate of Regen. NOTE: The optimum coasting/gliding gear with 0% Regen = NEUTRAL! When I am coming home from the south from 3.1 to 0.9 miles I top knoll at 31mph drop into neutral and glide down hill to a lower knoll which eats up gained speed and then slopes downhill to a low water crossing requiring dropping into drive and Regen braking to 18 (+/-) mph followed by fast acceleration to 35 mph then neutral for 700 feet to drop into drive and Regen braking to stop sign. That neutral time adds about 6-8 mpg on my 14.1 mile trip vs just driving in slippery.

My Ecoboost slippery equally powers all four wheels all the time. And slackens throttle response nothing more. I coast better/best in normal mode, I assume because my RDU is not “In Gear”, engaged as much. That for the Ecoboost is less drag.

So I guess the Mavbrid does regen at both ends. ?
Odd, I’ll try and look into it more.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I’m curious to know why this is so.

EcoBoost and Hybrid are
Unless you have regenerative braking on your EcoBoost. Rhetorical You're not going to have a large coasting difference.
Having driven both the EcoBoost and now owning the hybrid.
Us Hybrid owners can determine how much Regen we want for a particular situation or driving Style.

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