Are the hybrids problem vehicles?

[OneAlienBoi]

Yeah, that's it. It's been rock star. It's at 140k miles. Getting used by my son when he turns 16 next year and I'll get the Maverick.

Yeah, the only thing about the 3.5 duratec that seems iffy is the water pump apparently. If it goes, it can take the entire engine with it. But from my understanding, this issue isn't super common. There are prob conservatively a million of those engines out there. Ford used it in the explorer, flex, tarus, edge, f-150, as well as several Lincoln and Mazda models. Derivatives of it also used to be used in the mustang and explorer cop car as the 3.7. So of course you're gonna find some people who had a bad experience. But it seems like 99 times out of 100 it's a rock solid engine easily capable of lasting 200k plus. Seen a few with over 400k on the original engine. Not just reliable, but pretty punchy to. About as quick as our maverick hybrid.

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[gte105u]

Yeah, the only thing about the 3.5 duratec that seems iffy is the water pump apparently. If it goes, it can take the entire engine with it. But from my understanding, this issue isn't super common. There are prob conservatively a million of those engines out there. Ford used it in the explorer, flex, tarus, edge, f-150, as well as several Lincoln and Mazda models. Derivatives of it also used to be used in the mustang and explorer cop car as the 3.7. So of course you're gonna find some people who had a bad experience. But it seems like 99 times out of 100 it's a rock solid engine easily capable of lasting 200k plus. Seen a few with over 400k on the original engine. Not just reliable, but pretty punchy to. About as quick as our maverick hybrid.

Yeah, it's a rocket for its class of vehicle. About same HP as the turbo Maverick (actually a touch more). I drove the Maverick once and they felt similar. Maverick is actually lighter so that is part of why. Gets about 20 mpg average so while not terrible really not good either.

Hoping my Maverick will be as good as this Edge has been.

 

[Jonny44]

10k miles with about half of them towing without even a hiccup. I must not have received one of those “problem” hybrids.

 

[hdrider02]

They're also slow, handle like a covered wagon on the street, have poor fuel efficiency, and are really expensive. But, they'll run forever.

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[icegradner]

More physical parts is literally always a greater chance of failure.

That's an overly simple way of looking at things. It all depends on the type of parts, since not all parts have the same chance of failure. Non-moving parts have far lower chances of failure in the first place.

The transmission on the EB is more complex with far more moving parts than the eCVT and electric motors, and the 2.0 EB engine is far more complex than the 2.5L in the hybrid. In the end, the power-trains of the two models likely will have very similar reliability. The 2.5L, being simpler, likely coming out on top, since it will have less use per miles on the ODO.

People act as if hybrids are some new untested thing, when the technology has been rapidly improving over the last 22 years. The relibility of hybrid power-trains (over all) are as good or better than ICE only vehicles.

 

[Hillbilly]

So I am curious, and this may kick a hornet's nest. But it qualitatively speaking it seems like there are more issues with the hybrids than the ecoboosts. Its to the point where I find myself reading posts and saying "thank goodness I didn't order a hybrid". But this could also be selective memory based upon the fact I did order an ecoboost. So is it just me, or are there way more issues with the hybrids than the ecoboosts? Is it to the point where one would say getting a hybrid is a problem vehicle?

Thoughts?

Well there is a very active thread on the issue. Sooo

 

[gte105u]

That's an overly simple way of looking at things. It all depends on the type of parts, since not all parts have the same chance of failure. Non-moving parts have far lower chances of failure in the first place.

The transmission on the EB is more complex with far more moving parts than the eCVT and electric motors, and the 2.0 EB engine is far more complex than the 2.5L in the hybrid. In the end, the power-trains of the two models likely will have very similar reliability. The 2.5L, being simpler, likely coming out on top, since it will have less use per miles on the ODO.

People act as if hybrids are some new untested thing, when the technology has been rapidly improving over the last 22 years. The relibility of hybrid power-trains (over all) are as good or better than ICE only vehicles.

My question was framed based upon hybrid in this vehicle. That means implementation, QC, etc. Obviously hybrids as a whole have been around. Even similar builds to this in the Escape. But this is a new model and things change.

 

[icegradner]

My question was framed based upon hybrid in this vehicle. That means implementation, QC, etc. Obviously hybrids as a whole have been around. Even similar builds to this in the Escape. But this is a new model and things change.

The only actual problem with any significant numbers with the hybrid, so far, was nothing to do with the hybrid power-train itself, it was a faulty cable for charging the 12v battery from a supplier.

A few people have had other problems, but given the small number that would easily fall into the normal rate of failure of mass produced products.

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

The only actual problem with any significant numbers with the hybrid, so far, was nothing to do with the hybrid power-train itself, it was a faulty cable for charging the 12v battery from a supplier.

A few people have had other problems, but given the small number that would easily fall into the normal rate of failure of mass produced products.

Are you sure? Ford has the highest cost for warranty repairs of anyone in the industry and so far the Maverick has had 6 recalls and still has quality issues minor or not. so far I am will ing to live through those growing pains but I don't like getting jerked around by Ford and their inability to do the right thing for loyal customers in this whole ordering fiasco and the short changing of the long suffering folks tht have orders since last year that are getting screwed IMHO....by the time some get their trucks it could be third generation

 

[icegradner]

Are you sure? Ford has the highest cost for warranty repairs of anyone in the industry and so far the Maverick has had 6 recalls and still has quality issues minor or not. so far I am will ing to live through those growing pains but I don't like getting jerked around by Ford and their inability to do the right thing for loyal customers in this whole ordering fiasco and the short changing of the long suffering folks tht have orders since last year that are getting screwed IMHO....by the time some get their trucks it could be third generation

I was specifically talking about the power-train, engine/transmission, not anything else. There are no recalls for the hybrid or EB for power-train issues, past or present. The only outstanding recalls are for airbags in Mavericks (Hybrid and EB) made before July 9th 2022, and EB Mavericks with the 4k tow package.

 

[Funhog]

I'm good with mine. Have a Prius V too. Both doing well as can be expected. Not worried as warranty covers just about everything including rental if I need it.

No issues with battery, engine, CVT, deep sleep (which it is supposed to do whenever it sits for a period of time without starting), stalling or dieing, paint, or anything else yet.

We also have a Hybrid Mav and a 2014 Prius V! Twinning! No issues with either so far!

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

I was specifically talking about the power-train, engine/transmission, not anything else. There are no recalls for the hybrid or EB for power-train issues, past or present. The only outstanding recalls are for airbags in Mavericks (Hybrid and EB) made before July 9th 2022, and EB Mavericks with the 4k tow package.

I guess that would be due to interpretation since the fire hazard was power train related. Some might consider that electrical others software but the fix of cutting holes and removing grill slats to put more air into the engine didn't address the root cause IMHO. I also suspect that the engine cutting out issue could be considered engine related even if it was a harness issue. I'd also add that there are numerous reported complaints that haven't been converted to recalls yet.

 

[fossil]

Whatever issues the EB and Hybrid may or not have they pale by the pure scope of Kia and Hyundai engine issues dating back over ten years. Their warranty denying, stonewalling and cover up has led to another class action suit in 2021 that may finally bring justice to thousands of burned owners.

https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer...ndais-may-qualify-for-free-engine-replacement

 

[icegradner]

I guess that would be due to interpretation since the fire hazard was power train related. Some might consider that electrical others software but the fix of cutting holes and removing grill slats to put more air into the engine didn't address the root cause IMHO. I also suspect that the engine cutting out issue could be considered engine related even if it was a harness issue. I'd also add that there are numerous reported complaints that haven't been converted to recalls yet.

I don't know if any of the 2.5L engines in Mavericks actually have had the problem that the recall was for, it was a precautionary recall. All the ones that had fires (less than 10), if I recall correctly, were in Ford Escapes (someone correct me if I'm wrong please).

Every issue that happens with a vehicle doesn't warrant a recall, because some of them are not wide spread enough. Small issues that only effect a small number of vehicles, that are not related to user safety, will not likely be converted into recalls. Some will likely only become technical service bulletins that would be fixed under warranty. Everything that is made has a percentage of failures in mass production (between 5-10% is considered normal). Now Ford may have higher numbers than that, I have no idea, I'm not a Ford follower/fanboy by any means. To make it clear, the Maverick will likely be the only Ford I ever own, I'll more likely than not be going back to Toyota once they have a similar vehicle.

 

[Ozarkbeard]

We also have a Hybrid Mav and a 2014 Prius V! Twinning! No issues with either so far!

The Mav's eCVT is very similar to the Prius eCVT. Ford improved some of the design, which Toyota has incorporated similar changes into theirs. The transmission design is very simple, compared to a conventional automatic, and rock solid.

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