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When I expand the photo there appears to be a landscape block wall behind the Rivian. That doesn't occur out in the desert. ;)
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But what about the times when you do need to drive for hundreds of miles in a day? I regularly make trips that are 4+ hours each way. This is northeast corridor btw. There isnt enough time in the day for me to stop and charge if I want to do it in a day. And no, there is no charging station anywhere I need to spend time when I get there.

Sure, most people's average drive is short and an EV could suit just fine. But if you can only afford one vehicle it needs to be flexible enough that you can make those long drives when you need to. Why is that so hard to understand?

The battery tech does need to radically improve. It needs to be as fast and convenient to charge as gassing up. That's the standard.
You like the word radically a lot do you also like the word tremendously? Yes most people you said for most people it is just a niche product now. So you're contradicting yourself second of all in the Northeast corridor where I live on most major arteries there are high speed chargers. Many cars, including those from lowly Kia and Hyundai can charge from 10 to 80% in less than 20 minutes. So you're telling me if you drive 350 miles you're not okay with stopping for 20 minutes. Like plug the car in, go in and take a leak, maybe grab a quick bite? I mean for most people that would be fine especially considering they might do that a couple of times a year. But I understand other guys have ever explained to me for those guys who drive 6,000 miles in 2 days every single week it's not really good for them. You don't have 20 minutes? I mean ideally refueling in 5 minutes is better if you're in a real hurry but I doubt many people have that stressed of a schedule. You should just buy a helicopter really
 

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So I won't go off roading. Taking a truck on street tires through ditches and getting stuck then complaining would be like taking a Toyota minivan with the sport package to a race track, blowing up the motor, and then saying "Toyota lied to me, they said this was the sport package". This is on the owner for being an idiot, not on EVs themselves.
 

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You like the word radically a lot do you also like the word tremendously? Yes most people you said for most people it is just a niche product now. So you're contradicting yourself second of all in the Northeast corridor where I live on most major arteries there are high speed chargers. Many cars, including those from lowly Kia and Hyundai can charge from 10 to 80% in less than 20 minutes. So you're telling me if you drive 350 miles you're not okay with stopping for 20 minutes. Like plug the car in, go in and take a leak, maybe grab a quick bite? I mean for most people that would be fine especially considering they might do that a couple of times a year. But I understand other guys have ever explained to me for those guys who drive 6,000 miles in 2 days every single week it's not really good for them. You don't have 20 minutes? I mean ideally refueling in 5 minutes is better if you're in a real hurry but I doubt many people have that stressed of a schedule. You should just buy a helicopter really
Not to mention EVs have passive refueling, gas cars don't. As in whenever you're putting gas in your car, you have to baby sit the pump to make sure nothing goes wrong. Whereas with an EV, you plug in it, and then go get some food, or use the restroom while your car is recharging.

I want to talk to these people making those magical 5 minute fuel stops. That's possible maybe if you're traveling by yourself, and are literally sprinting across the gas station. But if you're road tripping with multiple people, especially a wide variety of people. You're pulling over, stretching your legs, getting food, refueling, and using the restroom. It's a miracle if you're back on the road in 20 minutes, 5, it's not happening unless you're a miracle worker.
 

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Not to mention EVs have passive refueling, gas cars don't. As in whenever you're putting gas in your car, you have to baby sit the pump to make sure nothing goes wrong. Whereas with an EV, you plug in it, and then go get some food, or use the restroom while your car is recharging.

I want to talk to these people making those magical 5 minute fuel stops. That's possible maybe if you're traveling by yourself, and are literally sprinting across the gas station. But if you're road tripping with multiple people, especially a wide variety of people. You're pulling over, stretching your legs, getting food, refueling, and using the restroom. It's a miracle if you're back on the road in 20 minutes, 5, it's not happening unless you're a miracle worker.
Exactly, I can make 5 minute fuel stops in my day to day travels but not usually on a road trip . Either or decayed was claiming EVs were a niche product then a few posts later he's saying they're ok for most people since most people take short trips ...
 

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Lithium Iron Phosphate and Sodium Ion batteries are making big inroads in the industry with lots of advantages like charging to 100% and low price. And yes, some trade-offs too like shorter range. I love to follow battery tech and sooooo much money is being poured into R&D right now by the big guns like Panasonic and the Chinese companies like CATL. Plus the big tech universities and all the battery startups world wide. Every bad thing about batteries is being addressed and assuaged because the financial rewards will be huge. I can't wait to see how different things will be in 5 years, much less 10. Let's go capitalism!
 

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By your reply, others can see the same for you. How about being constructive and figuring away to one get it out of the ditch? Two to figure away to correct this issue and allow EV's to be pulled from a ditch and or diverse terrain? Until then it's a major issue that shouldn't be ignored or made fun of. I do like the humor in your post though.
Honestly from the pics you can't tell much, but considering their concerns about dragging the battery, I see a simple solution. I know somewhere in Arizona you can find a sheet of butcher block like they use for outdoor "ice" skating for kids. They do it here in Hawaii every Christmas. Hook a line to it to stabilize it. Use a air bag jack to lift one end. Slip a sheet of butcher block under it, then just slide it on up. Expensive recovery for sure but not impossible in any way. Other options include using straps in tension to raise the vehicle with boards supporting between the straps and frame. Hell they could probably self recover with a trip to home Depot and a couple good air bag jacks. Just raise it up and put some lumber under it. And build ramps to move it towards solid level ground. I mean I've done successive pendulum full throttle 2wd swings winching my way across the face of a 45 degree slope in a CJ5.
 

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I disagree accidents happen for several reasons, road conditions and majority is trying to avoid a collision. Many deaths occur each year from drivers trying to avoid collision with animals and losing control. Unfortunately accidents happen it's a given, not so much if but when.
So we should all give up?
 
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Looks pretty clean for being there for 4 months!
I’d say click bait !
The article even says it comes with a camp kitchen , which was an option , but never materialized over 2 years ago , lot of red flags on the video ( the can’t park here audio is a popular clip used in memes and a lot of just stock press material in the article that’s outdated . Plus that would be an easy traction board and rock stack recovery if anything , if it drove in there it would very easily be able to get back out after getting it in the last hundred feet of stuck area .
If battery is dead , a 5kw gen and level 2 charger would have it charged enough in 5-8 hours to go 75 -100 miles and if something drastic has it disabled , there is always an off road recovery place especially in Arizona.
Worst case 10-15k for an aerial rescue , not much heavier than a small rooftop chiller or the cell site shelters I’ve set with helicopters.
Agreed, that entire article a d website seemed quite detached from any real fact checking, automotive knowledge or editorial control.
 

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Insurance is 30% more for EV according to Wall Street Journal, average damage is $6,000 to repair vs $4,000 for ICE. Hard to get parts and shops can’t fix them. Resale value has gone into the shitter for EV’s as well, just don’t hold their value.
 

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Insurance is 30% more for EV according to Wall Street Journal, average damage is $6,000 to repair vs $4,000 for ICE. Hard to get parts and shops can’t fix them. Resale value has gone into the shitter for EV’s as well, just don’t hold their value.
According to the Wall Street journal? Well, is it a like for like comparison ,are we talking similarly priced cars? I mean if you're comparing an $80,000 EV and a $40,000 ICEV then I would expect the former to cost more to ensure than the latter. Apparently from what I read out here Ford's own dealers and mechanics can't fix a Maverick so there's that... But regarding parts availability, if you're referring specifically to Tesla, then I agree. They suck on repairs and parts compared to the rest of the industry. But if you're talking a Ford EV you're telling me Ford doesn't have parts available for it? Or Hyundai doesn't have parts available? A lot of times, people, in the United States Anyway, simply think Tesla when they read EV.
According to that Forbes article, prices of EVS have gone way down, that is one of the reason for more depreciation. If the price of a new car is less than what the same model from a year or two ago cost, then of course people are going to buy the new one which is going to kill resale value. Plus it shows that 10 out of 41 EVS actually hold up depreciation wise compared to their ice counterparts. So it's not as cut and dry as that..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgor...e-now-cheaper-to-own-than-gas-powered-models/
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