2025 Maverick Hybrid engine braking?

[Phimosis]

That is not 1 pedal driving LOL, how else could one interpret the definition? My model 3 did not require the use of any brake pedal 95% of the time. You cannot say even close to the same for the Maverick in L.

I would agree with MineralsGeek, “perhaps we see a different definition of the term”.

The term “one pedal driving” started appearing after the roll out of the 2011 Nissan Leaf and 2012 Tesla Model S. By 2016, “one pedal driving” was commonly used in news articles about EV’s. But the Leaf and the Model S both required the use of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop.

Then in 2018, with the release of the model 3, the strength of the regen braking was increased compared to the Leaf and the model S, but it still required application of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop. Your stopping options were “creep” and “roll”, both of which required brake pedal use for a full stop.

“True one pedal driving” finally arrived in November 2019 with Tesla software update 2019.36.1, which released a new stopping mode called “hold”, that would stop the car without the use of the brake pedal.

So true one pedal driving didn’t arrive until after we had been calling it one pedal driving for many years.

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[710-oil-614]

I would agree with MeralsGeek, “perhaps we see a different definition of the term”.

The term “one pedal driving” started appearing after the roll out of the 2011 Nissan Leaf and 2012 Tesla Model S. By 2016, “one pedal driving” was commonly used in news articles about EV’s. But the Leaf and the Model S both required the use of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop.

Then in 2018, with the release of the model 3, the strength of the regen braking was increased compared to the Leaf and the model S, but it still required application of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop. Your stopping options were “creep” and “roll”, both of which required brake pedal use for a full stop.

“True one pedal driving” finally arrived in November 2019 with Tesla software update 2019.36.1, which released a new stopping mode called “hold”, that would stop the car without the use of the brake pedal.

So true one pedal driving didn’t arrive until after we had been calling it one pedal driving for many years.

I remember back in 1930 when one pedal driving meant something totally different!!!

 

[Timothyd]

What would a hypothetical "best case scenario" look like for least fuel used?

Accelerate to the minimum speed possible, put it in neutral and turn off the engine and coast to your destination, stopping right where you want to be, using no brakes, and regenerating no power along the way.

May take you 15 minutes to go a mile, but you used the least energy possible.

Slippery mode is the nearest mode to neutral coasting when your foot is off both pedals.

I drive almost exclusively in slippery mode. I get 53 MPG city and 44 MPG highway. I coast for "free" travel whenever possible.

Driving gently I get upper-mid 40s in the summer. Basically I just drive it gently. The difference between 40s and 50s is too much fussing for so little gain. My motorcycle goes down to 60 when I thrash it so that's my "go to" when I need to vent. Of course, now the divorce is over so the bike will be getting better milage.

 

[The Real Maverick]

I would agree with MineralsGeek, “perhaps we see a different definition of the term”.

The term “one pedal driving” started appearing after the roll out of the 2011 Nissan Leaf and 2012 Tesla Model S. By 2016, “one pedal driving” was commonly used in news articles about EV’s. But the Leaf and the Model S both required the use of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop.

Then in 2018, with the release of the model 3, the strength of the regen braking was increased compared to the Leaf and the model S, but it still required application of the brake pedal to come to a complete stop. Your stopping options were “creep” and “roll”, both of which required brake pedal use for a full stop.

“True one pedal driving” finally arrived in November 2019 with Tesla software update 2019.36.1, which released a new stopping mode called “hold”, that would stop the car without the use of the brake pedal.

So true one pedal driving didn’t arrive until after we had been calling it one pedal driving for many years.

True one pedal driving, meaning you almost never had to use the left pedal was available in late 2016 with the Chevy Bolt EV.

I should know. I was an early owner. I got a vin 9,xxx.

It would bring you to a full stop and hold you with up to ~90 brake horsepower. And I loved it.

It turned on brake lights when deceleration was 0.3 G

 

[The Real Maverick]

Chevy Bolt was the adult version of Disneyland's "Autopia" cars.

I can hear the recording now....

"To go, press your foot down on the pedal. To stop, take your foot off the pedal."

 

[The Real Maverick]

Chevy Bolt was a one speed.
No shifting at all.

But instead of paddle shifters there was a paddle on the back of the steering wheel. This was a brake paddle.

If you had one-pedal driving off, you could brake with your fingers as an option. I rarely did. One-pedal driving was so good. And yes you could modulate the go pedal to brake at whatever rate you wanted.

That left pedal was really only needed for emergency panic stops where 200 bHP was insufficient. Which was rare. But could occur especially when going down a steep slope. Such as end of a steep road with a stop-sign at the bottom.... you'd likely need 200 HP of regen and some friction pads.

You'd also need friction pads if the battery were 100% charged. To avoid this, or if you lived on top of a hill; you just set the car to never charge more than 95%. Or 90% or whatever you want. It was user definable in 5% increments.

 

[dochawk]

But instead of paddle shifters there was a paddle on the back of the steering wheel. This was a brake paddle.

gee, full circle!

100 years ago, Fords didn't have an accelerator pedal; the only throttle was a lever on the right side of the steering wheel hub.

Most other makes at the time had both the lever and a pedal; after starting, you would adjust the lever for minimum flow, as well as the spark advance (the lever on the other side) until the engine ran smoothly.

Ford would add the accelerator pedal with the Model A.

 

[Phimosis]

Chevy Bolt was a one speed.
No shifting at all.

But instead of paddle shifters there was a paddle on the back of the steering wheel. This was a brake paddle.

If you had one-pedal driving off, you could brake with your fingers as an option. I rarely did. One-pedal driving was so good. And yes you could modulate the go pedal to brake at whatever rate you wanted.

That left pedal was really only needed for emergency panic stops where 200 bHP was insufficient. Which was rare. But could occur especially when going down a steep slope. Such as end of a steep road with a stop-sign at the bottom.... you'd likely need 200 HP of regen and some friction pads.

You'd also need friction pads if the battery were 100% charged. To avoid this, or if you lived on top of a hill; you just set the car to never charge more than 95%. Or 90% or whatever you want. It was user definable in 5% increments.

I didn’t know the Bolt had true one pedal driving back in 2016. The Bolt didn’t get talked about that much.

On the other hand, no EV has the same amount of regenerative braking as it does power output. That would make for an unpleasant and sometimes dangerous driving experience. Quick google search says 160 kw output, or 200 hp. But only 70 kw of regenerative braking, or 87.5hp.

 

[ricklee4570]

As far as heat buildup in the battery, wouldn't the cooling system dedicated strictly for the battery keep the temps in check?

 

[The Real Maverick]

As far as heat buildup in the battery, wouldn't the cooling system dedicated strictly for the battery keep the temps in check?

It keeps it "safe".

It does not keep it "optimal".

 

[The Real Maverick]

I didn’t know the Bolt had true one pedal driving back in 2016. The Bolt didn’t get talked about that much.

On the other hand, no EV has the same amount of regenerative braking as it does power output. That would make for an unpleasant and sometimes dangerous driving experience. Quick google search says 160 kw output, or 200 hp. But only 70 kw of regenerative braking, or 87.5hp.

True. I traded in the Bolt on the Maverick in 2022. I forgot that small detail. Just knew I drove "one pedal" 95% of the time.

 

[ricklee4570]

It keeps it "safe".

It does not keep it "optimal".

Gotcha, that makes sense.

 

[Phimosis]

As far as heat buildup in the battery, wouldn't the cooling system dedicated strictly for the battery keep the temps in check?

Yes, but within limits. It’s all about $. I have a dual motor Tesla, IE, awd. The battery temp always stays within the prescribed safe range. If I drive it hard, you can hear it kick on the cooling fan. If I hook it up to a fast charger, the cooling fans will go crazy. Like 90 dB of fans turned up to 11.

But…. If I go canyon carving for a half hour in the summer heat, the fans won’t be able to keep up and it will go into limp mode. The battery never overheats though. It just limits the output to keep the temps down.

And that’s where $ comes in. If you get a Plaid or Performance version, you get the $$$ version of the battery cooling system that can handle actual track use.

Same principal applies to a hybrid, but just on a much smaller scale. Ford has probably also skimped on the cooling system, where it is satisfactory for 90% of use cases, but taken to the extreme, like towing mountain passes in summer, it could very well run into the same issues.

 

[The Real Maverick]

Go. Stop. Go. Stop. Go. Stop. Go is much worse on the battery (more work / more heat) than towing a trailer in the mountains. Which is usually just one go followed by one stop.

Hmm.... what about towing in stop n go conditions in the mountains? IDK. Never had that happen to me. My guess is that would put extra heat into the battery.

But contrary to popular belief, the HV battery is used very little while towing. Even while towing uphill. And tow/haul mode tells the truck to use the battery LESS OFTEN keeping more charge in reserve, so you have it for passing / emergency maneuvers.

Pro Tip:

If you tow in normal mode it won't hurt anything; but your HV battery will stay 30% to 40%. You'll have more room for regen, but hardly any power for boost.

If you tow in tow/haul mode your HV battery will stay 60-70% charged. More boost will be available, but you'll have hardly any room for regen. One symptom is you will hear and feel the engine brake come on much more frequently.

Tow / haul also boosts engine RPM by about 300 across the board. Like being in 1 gear lower all the time. Which takes work off the battery; and puts more work on the engine. My battery stays within a few degrees of ambient while towing. WHICH IS COOLER than normal driving which is typically +40°F above ambient conditions.

 

[shadow76]

I would use ECO mode all the time if the setting would persist through a power cycle.
The "L" button makes driving in heavy freeway traffic a bit easier because I don't need to move my foot to the brake pedal as often. However, I doubt the brake lights come on without touching the brake pedal, so there is probably some increased risk of getting tail-ended by doing this.

A good question. In my manual transmission truck, I normally downshift when approaching a stop, but the brake lights do not activate. I usually let the 4-way flashers flash once if a tailgater is present.

With the Hybrid and in a similar situation, using the ‘L’ for regenerative braking, the brake lights also do not activate. A single brake tap warns a tailgaters…hopefully.

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