Soon to be new hybrid maverick owner asking a question

[Mikestill1]

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues. Can anyone here explain to me how this vehicle operates? I know the HV battery operates the friction drive, and the 12 volt operates the electronics, and the HV batt "charges" the 12 volt, or its supposed to.

So how does this unit "start", I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine. I see no alternator, but is there a water pump . When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start? Is that starter powered by the 12volt? I'm genuinly intersted how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenativer braking, etc.

Thanks

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[No Brand]

For all your questions there is more than one answer. Depending on Load, Mode, Demand, Weather.

Some others will chime in with more technical replies.

In most cases (morning start) all Electric unless the battery is low, or A/C is on or Heat, or a combination of many factors.

None of this really matters, because your fuel economy (depending on LMDW) will be 35 MPG HWY and 45 MPG City.

 

[HeyBales]

Now that you started a thread that has multiple great explanations in so many other threads, the search is easy now.

Look below the last message and find Similar threads.
Once you are on to the next thread, see other Similar below that one.

If really interested in deep dive - start here and find more of his detailed ones.

 

[Darnon]

I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine.

There isn't a toothed flywheel and starter arrangement; the ICE is started by the starter/generator motor in the transmission.

I see no alternator, but is there a water pump .

Yes, there are multiple and they are electric.

When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start?

If HVAC heat demands or HVAC battery is low it will start near immediately, otherwise drive on electric until throttle demand triggers it to start. Then the ICE will run until it reaches catalytic converter operating temp and switch over to hybrid operation.

Is that starter powered by the 12volt?

Nope, high voltage.

 

[tom_tucker]

For all your questions there is more than one answer. Depending on Load, Mode, Demand, Weather.

Some others will chime in with more technical replies.

In most cases (morning start) all Electric unless the battery is low, or A/C is on or Heat, or a combination of many factors.

None of this really matters, because your fuel economy (depending on LMDW) will be 35 MPG HWY and 45 MPG City.

This guy is in MA and it's winter, knock that MPG down to 30 highway 40 city, hehe. I took a huge mpg hit over the weekend in the mts. Happens every year with the shitty winter gas and freezing cold temps.

 

[tom_tucker]

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues. Can anyone here explain to me how this vehicle operates? I know the HV battery operates the friction drive, and the 12 volt operates the electronics, and the HV batt "charges" the 12 volt, or its supposed to.

So how does this unit "start", I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine. I see no alternator, but is there a water pump . When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start? Is that starter powered by the 12volt? I'm genuinly intersted how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenativer braking, etc.

Thanks

The difference (from ICE cars) is that you have to maintain some throttle to coast in the Maverick. If you let off throttle fully in flat or rolling hills, the generator will slow you down. It's a nice feature going down a larger hill or in traffic but it means you need to feather the throttle more.

Top modes:

Normal: 75% of the time in normal, good gas mileage.
Eco: In heavy traffic or pairs well with cruise control on open highway.
Sport: Aggressive highway driving and line cutting tool.
Tow/haul: Use as labeled. Also works well for very bumpy roads, maintain low end revving.
Slippery: Less regen braking so you need to apply more with your foot, just beware.

 

[22XLThybrid]

It's worth noting that when when the vehicle is started (ready light on and not accessory) The 12 volt is charging off the high voltage battery. But I suspect that charging rate is lower like when you're running both heated seats and heated steering wheel. I have the original 12-volt battery in an April 2022 delivered Maverick XLT with the luxury package. I do get the sleep warning on the app if I let it sit for 5 days in the garage or I'm using a lot of accessories and or maybe sitting with the doors open and the lights on or going in and out a lot and not driving it. If you remember, the car has a modem so it's tapping the battery when it's just sitting there unless it's shutting itself off with the drain warning. My battery checks out as a good battery. It's a pretty small 12-volt battery, but it doesn't really do much aside from wake things up and run 12 volt things and drains if the "Ready" light isn't on. I've stuck it on a battery keeper when it's sitting in the garage for a week. And I have a job where I plug in a laptop and whatnot while sitting. I had gotten used to figuring out that with my ice vehicle I could tap the battery for pretty long and not affect starting. With this I leave it turned on. So in this scenario it's actually using the high voltage battery to keep the 12 volt topped up and also fuel the accessories. The actual gas engine doesn't really run that often, even if you're just sitting in there using stuff. As an added bonus, you can use the AC without running the gas engine as much. It's just sort of a different approach to using a smaller 12-volt battery and think of it as working in conjunction with the high voltage battery. I've never had to jump it and I always keep a small lithium ion jumper in any car. There's jump posts under the hood if you would ever get in trouble.
Enjoy your new ride. I'm a manual transmission guy and hate automatics, but the eCVT Has that "braking" feel like a manual transmission and don't feel like you have to grind the brakes down hills like with a stupid automatic. And you really can squeeze quite a bit of fuel economy out of it once you understand how it operates. ,

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues. Can anyone here explain to me how this vehicle operates? I know the HV battery operates the friction drive, and the 12 volt operates the electronics, and the HV batt "charges" the 12 volt, or its supposed to.

So how does this unit "start", I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine. I see no alternator, but is there a water pump . When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start? Is that starter powered by the 12volt? I'm genuinly intersted how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenativer braking, etc.

Thanks

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues. Can anyone here explain to me how this vehicle operates? I know the HV battery operates the friction drive, and the 12 volt operates the electronics, and the HV batt "charges" the 12 volt, or its supposed to.

So how does this unit "start", I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine. I see no alternator, but is there a water pump . When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start? Is that starter powered by the 12volt? I'm genuinly intersted how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenativer braking, etc.

Thanks

It's worth noting that when when the vehicle is started (ready light on and not accessory) The 12 volt is charging off the high voltage battery. But I suspect that charging rate is lower like when you're running both heated seats and heated steering wheel. I have the original 12-volt battery in an April 2022 delivered Maverick XLT with the luxury package. I do get the sleep warning on the app if I let it sit for 5 days in the garage or I'm using a lot of accessories and or maybe sitting with the doors open and the lights on or going in and out a lot and not driving it. If you remember, the car has a modem so it's tapping the battery when it's just sitting there unless it's shutting itself off with the drain warning. My battery checks out as a good battery. It's a pretty small 12-volt battery, but it doesn't really do much aside from wake things up and run 12 volt things and drains if the "Ready" light isn't on. I've stuck it on a battery keeper when it's sitting in the garage for a week. And I have a job where I plug in a laptop and whatnot while sitting. I had gotten used to figuring out that with my ice vehicle I could tap the battery for pretty long and not affect starting. With this I leave it turned on. So in this scenario it's actually using the high voltage battery to keep the 12 volt topped up and also fuel the accessories. The actual gas engine doesn't really run that often, even if you're just sitting in there using stuff. As an added bonus, you can use the AC without running the gas engine as much. It's just sort of a different approach to using a smaller 12-volt battery and think of it as working in conjunction with the high voltage battery. I've never had to jump it and I always keep a small lithium ion jumper in any car. There's jump posts under the hood if you would ever get in trouble.
Enjoy your new ride. I'm a manual transmission guy and hate automatics, but the eCVT Has that "braking" feel like a manual transmission and don't feel like you have to grind the brakes down hills like with a stupid automatic. And you really can squeeze quite a bit of fuel economy out of it once you understand how it operates. ,

 

[MetalsGeek]

I've not had many deep sleep experiences, but decided to leave a small Noco charger on the Mav when I knew it would be parked for a week. I've not had any deep sleep events since. Related? Maybe... I miss the days when "off" really was.
The drivetrain in the Mav is licensed from Toyota's "hybrid synergy drive". It has a traction motor (MG2 I think) on the final drive (wheels) at a fixed ratio. It also has a second motor/generator (MG1) connected to the engine and final drive thru a planetary system that mechanically combines these 3 shafts. MG1 acts as the starter. There is no "reverse" gear since you just drive the traction motor backwards. Mechanically, this eCVT is really simple and has NO resemblance to mechanical CVT units, or wear parts like the clutches in an automatic, so it should last very well. The electronic controller has a HUGE number of operating modes depending on conditions, and is a marvel of software (no recalls on THAT). How far you can go on a cold "start" before the engine actually starts depends on the HVB charge when you parked it the day before. In mild weather (no heater demand), this will be usually be a fraction of a mile, but I've had it vary from zero to about 1.5 miles. In general, the MPG you get will depend mostly on how much the engine is running: (1) how many short trips start with a cold engine, and (2) how much you can stay in electric drive mode. The power gage is a really useful tool for this, since asking for more than 10% power will start the engine. The electric drive is pretty wimpy, but this is NOT a plug-in hybrid and it IS designed to a price point. I love my hybrid, but when I let my GF drive it, I lose 10 MPG. LOL

 

[mikellmikell]

A 22 and 2 24's nearing 80,000 miles total and no issues. Just left one for 2 weeks and it wasn't a problem.

 

[Ozarkbeard]

I've not had many deep sleep experiences, but decided to leave a small Noco charger on the Mav when I knew it would be parked for a week. I've not had any deep sleep events since. Related? Maybe... I miss the days when "off" really was.
The drivetrain in the Mav is licensed from Toyota's "hybrid synergy drive". It has a traction motor (MG2 I think) on the final drive (wheels) at a fixed ratio. It also has a second motor/generator (MG1) connected to the engine and final drive thru a planetary system that mechanically combines these 3 shafts. MG1 acts as the starter. There is no "reverse" gear since you just drive the traction motor backwards. Mechanically, this eCVT is really simple and has NO resemblance to mechanical CVT units, or wear parts like the clutches in an automatic, so it should last very well. The electronic controller has a HUGE number of operating modes depending on conditions, and is a marvel of software (no recalls on THAT). How far you can go on a cold "start" before the engine actually starts depends on the HVB charge when you parked it the day before. In mild weather (no heater demand), this will be usually be a fraction of a mile, but I've had it vary from zero to about 1.5 miles. In general, the MPG you get will depend mostly on how much the engine is running: (1) how many short trips start with a cold engine, and (2) how much you can stay in electric drive mode. The power gage is a really useful tool for this, since asking for more than 10% power will start the engine. The electric drive is pretty wimpy, but this is NOT a plug-in hybrid and it IS designed to a price point. I love my hybrid, but when I let my GF drive it, I lose 10 MPG. LOL

Excellent explanations in your post.

 

[BostonFordFan]

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues. Can anyone here explain to me how this vehicle operates? I know the HV battery operates the friction drive, and the 12 volt operates the electronics, and the HV batt "charges" the 12 volt, or its supposed to.

So how does this unit "start", I assume theres a flywheel and started to start the Internal combustion engine. I see no alternator, but is there a water pump . When starting this vehicle in morning, does it just power on with ethe pushbutton, and then when needed the ICE start? Is that starter powered by the 12volt? I'm genuinly intersted how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenativer braking, etc.

Thanks

Hi Mike! Congrats on ordering your hybrid Maverick! We bought our '22 last year used. So far, we have NOT had any issue with deep sleep or back up camera. I have done the necessary recalls-the last one i had them send a mobile unit from Herb Chambers Ford. Was so much easier than sitting at dealer.
This is our first hybrid and it's funky at first-but now, i can't imagine going back to an ice vehicle. I don't need 4,000 lb towing. We avg 48 mpg where a tank of gas last almost a month depending on driving and load. When i turn the key in the warm months, it clicks into electric mode and is silent. Not until a certain speed will the engine kick in. In cold weather, the engine kicks in to warm things-especially if Peter is on. On the highway, there are ways to trick it and lock in hybrid mode at speeds like 60-65 mph. In boston, it is mostly hybrid mode.
Enjoy

 

[HeyBales]

Hi Mike! Congrats on ordering your hybrid Maverick! We bought our '22 last year used. So far, we have NOT had any issue with deep sleep or back up camera. I have done the necessary recalls-the last one i had them send a mobile unit from Herb Chambers Ford. Was so much easier than sitting at dealer.
This is our first hybrid and it's funky at first-but now, i can't imagine going back to an ice vehicle. I don't need 4,000 lb towing. We avg 48 mpg where a tank of gas last almost a month depending on driving and load. When i turn the key in the warm months, it clicks into electric mode and is silent. Not until a certain speed will the engine kick in. In cold weather, the engine kicks in to warm things-especially if Peter is on. On the highway, there are ways to trick it and lock in hybrid mode at speeds like 60-65 mph. In boston, it is mostly hybrid mode.
Enjoy

I sure thought you'd have more hills around there, excellent job getting that kind of mileage out of it.

I will clarify since the misunderstanding comes up often enough.

It's not a certain speed the engine kicks on, but rather any time the pedal is asking above 10% HP that your power gauge shows - at least with a full enough HVB to power the traction motor.
If not enough charge, ICE will be turned on below 10% too.
Or while stopped even to recharge battery.

Any speed (below traction motor max) with good wind and incline can be held with 10% or less power - for a time, not a huge battery, less % longer run. No lock-in is possible, but careful pedal usage can get you there.

Do you find a certain drive mode helps on pedal control?
Slippery seems to be recommended for highway to lighten that sensitivity.

 

[Ozarkbeard]

...I'm genuinely interested how this vehicle operates from start/ stop/ sleep/ change over to ICE/ regenerative braking, etc....

When moving away from a stop; if the ICE isn't running for various reasons, if you start moving slowly enough, the truck will be moving by the electric traction motor. The electric motors/generator/starter are inside the eCVT. When more power is needed, the starter/generator will seamlessly start the ICE. At any given time, the truck may be moving by electric, ICE or a combination of both, depending on conditions and HV battery SOC. The ICE starts & stops many many times in a trip, particularly in city & hilly driving. This is seamless to the occupants, except for a little bit of noise from the ICE when it's running (no noise from starting). You don't get a clunk or other knock, like is often felt in a conventional ICE vehicle.

When braking, much of that is accomplished by regenerative braking. Gentle braking is often completely done without help of friction brake pads, contributing to extremely long brake pad/rotor life. Expect to get 100-200k miles between brake pad replacement.

Enabling the Brake Coach screen will briefly show, after each complete stop, what percentage of braking was done by regenerative braking, since the last full stop. Example: a 95% popup on the Brake Coach means that only 5% of that stop was by using the brake pads. The other 95% was all done by charging the HV battery.

Also enable the EV Coach. It shows what mode you're driving in and can teach you how to maximize Pulse & Glide driving. Forum search 'splains that.
Green=charging (coast/downhill, etc.)
Blue=Electric only mode
White=Hybrid mode (electric+ICE or ICE only)

...i can't imagine going back to an ice vehicle...

This Mainly for the Hybrid's unbelievably smooth eCVT. Best transmission I've ever had in any vehicle.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Exepecting my 25 XLT Hybrid AWD to be delivered in February time frame.. Seeing many posts about the deep sleep, 12 volt batt, no start/dome light issues.

Tens of thousands of hybrid Mavericks sold, not all have had "deep sleep" issues. We've had the notification a couple times, mostly from leaving a door open 10+ minutes. (13k miles, 18 months)

The weirdest part (if this is your first hybrid) is that you "start" the vehicle and nothing happens except a green "READY" light on the dashboard and the radio and dash lights turn on, with a symphony of clicks from relays and electric motors and whatever. It's funny to not hear a motor most of the time. We back out of the garage and usually don't hear the ICE turn on until we get off our driveway onto the street and start up the hill.

BTW there is no "reverse" gear in the Hybrid Mav! It just uses the electric motor in reverse polarity (or whatever).

The vehicle is stupid smart as far as picking between motors and engine- and if you learn how to drive it the gas mileage gets pretty insanely good. (Don't be scared to accelerate but then try to "coast" so the ICE turns off")

A/C runs on an electric motor, so you may hear the ICE turn back on at a long light if there wasn't good braking beforehand. The trick there is brake early and slower to charge the battery and not use the traditional brakes as much.

Heater uses ICE, our gas mileage has gone way down since it started getting chillier (SC). Still averaging 35mpg+ though. But I turn off the climate control as frequently as possible.

 

[BostonFordFan]

I sure thought you'd have more hills around there, excellent job getting that kind of mileage out of it.

I will clarify since the misunderstanding comes up often enough.

It's not a certain speed the engine kicks on, but rather any time the pedal is asking above 10% HP that your power gauge shows - at least with a full enough HVB to power the traction motor.
If not enough charge, ICE will be turned on below 10% too.
Or while stopped even to recharge battery.

Any speed (below traction motor max) with good wind and incline can be held with 10% or less power - for a time, not a huge battery, less % longer run. No lock-in is possible, but careful pedal usage can get you there.

Do you find a certain drive mode helps on pedal control?
Slippery seems to be recommended for highway to lighten that sensitivity.

Hey Bales-
Thanks for that info! For highway, I have been using Eco mode, but i have read here on MTC that a lot of people use Slippery mode. I will try that. and yes, I use the wrong term "lock in" It is more a release of the gas pedal, coasting a second while the electric kicks in and then using and a really light touch back to the gas pedal and holding. Is that called Pulse and glide?
John

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