2.0L - Ecoboost downgraded to 238/HP ?

[Scott Asheville]

Also, a GPF can be a very expensive replacement part. On the other hand, it is almost certainly covered by the very long emissions warranty.

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[Scott Asheville]

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[colinl]

Who can spot the difference in the new 2.0L found in the 2025?

yeah, we see the port fuel injection rail and injector(s) in the upper left.

It's a completely new engine. Different block, different heads, different cams, different fuel system, different valve cover, different intake, different flywheel, different water pump, different thermostate housing, different crankcase ventilation system, etc...

in this pic I'm probably most curious about the very different head gasket. what the heck are those huge ports on the intake and especially exhaust sides of the gasket? surely not just coolant jackets (why so many and so large)?

if you are Ford tech or have a buddy who is, please find the exploded diagram of the ecoboost catalytic converter and gas particulate filter.

 

[billbillw]

How does the 2.5L handle the 0.5mg/mi PM requirement? Do they test just the engine? Does it get a pass because it produces 0 when on electric? Is the Atkinson cycle that much more emissions friendly?

How would the hybrid cope with regen?

How does regen work with stop start?

Port or TB fuel injected engines aren't known to create particulates as much as Direct Injected engines. Have you noticed how much soot is on the bumpers of so many vehicles with newer turbo DI engines? This largely happens when you stomp the throttle suddenly. The extra gasoline doesn't have a chance to mix with the air and does not fully burn due to the changing engine conditions (ie not enough oxygen because the turbo hasn't spooled).

I get trying to limit particulates but this will end up causing worse fuel economy and other issues. If re-gen is required when the soot load builds up, extra fuel is used to burn off the soot. That is going to reduce economy and cause issues where you might be at the end of a short drive and it is in the middle of a re-gen. On diesels, this can create headaches and dealer visits. I would expect the same on a gasoline equivalent.

It will also will hurt longevity, there is no way about it. Yes, they will warranty it for the typical emissions lifetime, but that rarely goes beyond 100K miles. So, depending how you drive, how much soot built up, how much ash remains embedded, etc, you may hit 120K miles and find you're having to replace it at the cost of several thousand dollars.

 

[Superg0]

yeah, we see the port fuel injection rail and injector(s) in the upper left.


in this pic I'm probably most curious about the very different head gasket. what the heck are those huge ports on the intake and especially exhaust sides of the gasket? surely not just coolant jackets (why so many and so large)?

if you are Ford tech or have a buddy who is, please find the exploded diagram of the ecoboost catalytic converter and gas particulate filter.

What about that 6G061 part number on the 2025 and not on the 2024. The part that has the red arrow coming out of the cylinders

 

[Superg0]

yeah, we see the port fuel injection rail and injector(s) in the upper left.


in this pic I'm probably most curious about the very different head gasket. what the heck are those huge ports on the intake and especially exhaust sides of the gasket? surely not just coolant jackets (why so many and so large)?

if you are Ford tech or have a buddy who is, please find the exploded diagram of the ecoboost catalytic converter and gas particulate filter.

Theres also a void on the block that matches the ports on the gasket on that you mentioned.

 

[Fcnrwy]

Loving my '23 EcoBoost even more now.

Agree with those that are disappointed the Lobo does not have a 2.7. Now that would have been something for sure. As it stands now in my world what the hell is the point.

Not being offered with a Larger engine dis. for the "Sport Truck" version, reminds me of the mid-80s Ranger GT.
A lot of "Fast Bodywork" but still used only the biggest engine the "Stock" Rangers came with, a 2.9L V6 (140-hp) And NO Turbo..
My Home-made GT, at least had a 2.3L with Turbo and Intercooler (acquired 3rd party, off the assembly line, 1987 Ford Thunderbird motor (190hp) w/T5 tranny).

Jerry

 

[Bill Quattlebaum]

Saw that also, possibly wanting to phase out ecoboost in favor of hybrid. Hybrid can now tow what ecoboost does and looks like they aren't offering the ecoboost in XL and XLT for 25? Or possibly because of the new lobo ecoboost performance model?

I think you are wrong about that. You can get an ecoboost. You just have to get all wheel drive for an additional $2,200.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Not being offered with a Larger engine dis. for the "Sport Truck" version, reminds me of the mid-80s Ranger GT.
A lot of "Fast Bodywork" but still used only the biggest engine the "Stock" Rangers came with, a 2.9L V6 (140-hp) And NO Turbo..
My Home-made GT, at least had a 2.3L with Turbo and Intercooler (acquired 3rd party, off the assembly line, 1987 Ford Thunderbird motor (190hp) w/T5 tranny).

Jerry

I forgot about that GT. In another thread I reference another all show and no go mid '90's Ranger, the 2WD Splash. Factory lowered, nice buckets from the Explorer, chrome faced wheels, step side body and fat tires but still the same 3.0L or 4.0L engine available in the rest of the line. It sure could have used a 5.0L engine. I know, I put 188,000 miles on my 97 Splash with the 4.0L.

 

[Fcnrwy]

I forgot about that GT. In another thread I reference another all show and no go mid '90's Ranger, the 2WD Splash. Factory lowered, nice buckets from the Explorer, chrome faced wheels, step side body and fat tires but still the same 3.0L or 4.0L engine available in the rest of the line. It sure could have used a 5.0L engine. I know, I put 188,000 miles on my 97 Splash with the 4.0L.

Yup, I remember the "Splash", the 302cu. in. (5.0L) V8 would have FIT!
The 351cu in. (5.8L) V8 (Cleveland), was a bit big to "wedge" into the bodywork and was heavy... But, remember seeing both conversions at local and regional car shows, during the 1990s...

Jerry

 

[colinl]

Theres also a void on the block that matches the ports on the gasket on that you mentioned.

sure. and it can really only be 4 things:

air (weird, but not impossible)
oil galley (seems way too big?)
coolant seems most likely to me.
coolant or oil for some accessory? surely that would just be a separate hard line.

it's a little weird to me but honestly only using the old 22-24 block as a comparison.

 

[Phimosis]

Port or TB fuel injected engines aren't known to create particulates as much as Direct Injected engines. Have you noticed how much soot is on the bumpers of so many vehicles with newer turbo DI engines? This largely happens when you stomp the throttle suddenly. The extra gasoline doesn't have a chance to mix with the air and does not fully burn due to the changing engine conditions (ie not enough oxygen because the turbo hasn't spooled).

I get trying to limit particulates but this will end up causing worse fuel economy and other issues. If re-gen is required when the soot load builds up, extra fuel is used to burn off the soot. That is going to reduce economy and cause issues where you might be at the end of a short drive and it is in the middle of a re-gen. On diesels, this can create headaches and dealer visits. I would expect the same on a gasoline equivalent.

It will also will hurt longevity, there is no way about it. Yes, they will warranty it for the typical emissions lifetime, but that rarely goes beyond 100K miles. So, depending how you drive, how much soot built up, how much ash remains embedded, etc, you may hit 120K miles and find you're having to replace it at the cost of several thousand dollars.

Your concerns are unfounded. Every car sold in Europe and Australia has had a ppf/opf/gpf since 2018. Their fuel economy didn't go down. The filters are not clogging up. Gasoline engines burn hotter that diesel and low rpm, city driving, still makes enough heat to undergo the 10 minute regen cycle. Also, the European HP numbers aren't even down. Compare any European OPF/PPF equipped BMW and the ouput listed (in PS) will be 10 or so hp higher than the (SAE) rated US non OPF counterpart. And these filters are not failing and needing to be replaced. And they don't cost thousands of dollars. There's no platinum, paladium and rhodium in there. It's just a ceramic honeycomb inside of a steel tube. A gpf/ppf/opf costs automakers $200 to make.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...eptillion-more-particles-research-2022-04-27/

 

[billbillw]

Your concerns are unfounded. Every car sold in Europe and Australia has had a ppf/opf/gpf since 2018. Their fuel economy didn't go down. The filters are not clogging up. Gasoline engines burn hotter that diesel and low rpm, city driving, still makes enough heat to undergo the 10 minute regen cycle. Also, the European HP numbers aren't even down. Compare any European OPF/PPF equipped BMW and the ouput listed (in PS) will be 10 or so hp higher than the (SAE) rated US non OPF counterpart. And these filters are not failing and needing to be replaced. And they don't cost thousands of dollars. There's no platinum, paladium and rhodium in there. It's just a ceramic honeycomb inside of a steel tube. A gpf/ppf/opf costs automakers $200 to make.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...eptillion-more-particles-research-2022-04-27/

...since 2018...so only 6 years?
Get back to me after these are all 10+ years old. The cost of replacement will likely need a significant amount of labor based on how tightly these are packed. $200 part to manufacture would probably have a shelf price of $600. Add labor and you are probably looking at $2K minimum for a replacement from a dealer.

Bottom line, adding anything to a complex engine/emissions system creates another point of failure, especially when it is being newly implemented.

 

[Superg0]

Still trying to figure out the airbox on that new engine.

 

[Gonzo chris]

It's a completely new engine. Different block, different heads, different cams, different fuel system, different valve cover, different intake, different flywheel, different water pump, different thermostate housing, different crankcase ventilation system, etc...

Good info, I wonder which is better

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